Amorth comments further on Vatican satanism ring
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http://www.newoxfordreview.org/note.jsp?...otes-smoke

Quote:The Smoke of Satan in the Vatican?

May 2010

Fr. Gabriel Amorth has served as the Vatican's chief exorcist for the past quarter century. During those twenty-five years, the quietly outspoken priest has raised eyebrows with his sober accounts of brushes with the Devil — a routine occupational hazard for someone who has dealt with over 70,000 cases of demonic possession. But his recent declaration that Satan is alive and well in the heart of the Vatican itself has to rank as his most provocative revelation to date. According to a book of his memoirs recently released in Italy, Fr. Amorth claims to know of the existence of "Satanic sects" in the Vatican where participation reaches all the way to the College of Cardinals. "There are priests, monsignors and also cardinals!" he explained to Vatican journalist Marco Tosatti, who compiled Memoirs of an Exorcist from interviews with the priest. Asked by Tosatti how he knows Vatican clergy are involved, the exorcist answered, "I know from those who have been able to relate it to me because they had a way of knowing directly. And it's something ‘confessed' most times by the very demon under obedience during the exorcisms."

As one might expect, the secular media has had a laugh-a-thon over the seemingly histrionic comments from the 85-year-old priest. Admitting the existence of the Devil is still cause for ridicule and derision by nonbelievers, but at least one other Rome-based exorcist has taken issue with the charges. Fr. José Fortea, a Spaniard and former student of Fr. Amorth's, came publicly to the Vatican's defense, arguing that Fr. Amorth had gone well beyond the evidence in making his charges. Demons themselves, he pointed out, are not exactly impeccable sources — after all, the Devil operates by deception and deceit. Fr. Fortea also explained that those seeking help for demonic possession include "innumerable persons" alleging to be the recipients of divine revelation, including "revelations about the infiltration of Satan and the Masons within the dome of the Church."

Nevertheless, a curious coincidence seemed to want to vindicate Fr. Amorth. Within a month of the release of his shocking charges, one of Pope Benedict XVI's elite ushers (formally known as a "Papal Gentleman") was dismissed from his Vatican post for his involvement in a gay-prostitution ring, while an elite Vatican chorister, who allegedly acted as a pimp, was also sacked over the sex scandal.

No, this isn't direct evidence of Satanism in the bosom of Holy Mother Church, but it certainly makes even the most ardent believer scratch his head. A gay-prostitution ring run out of the Vatican? Really? Well, if we can believe what we read in La Repubblica, it seems so. The Italian newspaper published excerpts of police wiretaps of Angelo Balducci's phone, and the evidence seems pretty clear. Balducci, the subject of a corruption probe by Italian police when the evidence came to light, served Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI on special occasions, such as when heads of state visited the Vatican. Balducci appears to have a whole heap of evidence piled up against him. Ghinedu Ehiem of Nigeria, who sang with the Giulia Choir of St. Peter's Basilica for nearly two decades, was the chorister who was dismissed after his name appeared in the wiretap transcripts. He stands accused of procuring male prostitutes for Balducci and others as part of an "organized network" that included students from several unnamed Roman seminaries. Yes, you read that right: A layman in the Vatican was pimping out seminarians to local pervertsand reportedly for large sums of money.

So, are certain cardinals practicing Satanism at the Vatican? Do some high-ranking Vatican prelates, as Fr. Amorth charges, not believe in Jesus Christ? Fr. Amorth believes that the Church's sex-abuse scandals are evidence enough of Satan's influence among the hierarchy. As clergy abuse scandals continue to explode across Europe — revelations first erupted in Ireland and more recently spread to Germany, the Netherlands, and Spain — more and more testimony reveals the blatant complicity of bishops in covering up sexual abuse, paying off victims to keep them silent, and sheltering abusive priests on the prowl for new victims. The first episcopal casualty of the unfolding sex-abuse cover-up scandal in Ireland was Bishop John Magee, former personal secretary to Popes John XXIII, Paul VI, and John Paul II. For his part, Pope Benedict XVI accepted the resignation of Bishop Magee after he was found to have endangered children by mishandling allegations of clerical sexual abuse in his home diocese. The Irish bishop had come under fire late in 2008 when a report by the independent National Safeguarding Board for Children said that the Diocese of Cloyne had put children at risk by failing to confront clerical abusers.

Fr. Amorth specifically cited as evidence of Satanic behavior the Vatican "cover-up" of the deaths in 1998 of Alois Estermann, then commander of the Swiss Guard, his wife, and Corporal Cedric Tornay, a fellow Swiss Guard, who were all found shot dead. A remarkably swift Vatican investigation concluded that Tornay had shot the commander and his wife and then turned his gun on himself after being passed over for a medal. However, there have been reports of a homosexual background to the tragedy. "They covered up everything immediately," Fr. Amorth said. "Here one sees the rot."

Though clergy involvement in pederasty, homosexual prostitution, and institutional corruption does not prove that Vatican personnel are worshipping the Beast and partaking in Black Masses, is it really much of a stretch to consider the distinct possibility that certain Vatican cardinals, bishops, or priests are involved in the dark arts à la Doctor Faustus? One wonders what kind of bargain has been struck in exchange for their ascendancy.
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Just further proof for what we've already known.  Interesting to note that Fr. Amorth also specifically names the Swiss guard incident with connection to all this as Fr. Martin did back when it happened.
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(05-10-2010, 06:44 PM)Walty Wrote: Just further proof for what we've already known.  Interesting to note that Fr. Amorth also specifically names the Swiss guard incident with connection to all this as Fr. Martin did back when it happened.

You noticed that too, that's two exorcists who've served in Rome who've said this now.
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what did they say about the swiss guards?  were they killed because they were involved in homosexuality, or were they killed because they knew too much and were going to expose it?  why was the wife killed as well?
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(05-10-2010, 07:49 PM)Melkite Wrote: what did they say about the swiss guards?  were they killed because they were involved in homosexuality, or were they killed because they knew too much and were going to expose it?  why was the wife killed as well?

I'll have to go back and listen to the interviews.  I know Fr. Martin spoke about it during his interview entitled Vatican Murders on Art Bell's show.  I think that was his last interview with Art.  I remember him saying that he found the entire thing very suspect and that he knew that it was related to the Satanism in the Church in some way.  I'm not sure how much Fr. knew and how much he wished to keep secret from the public, but the crazy thing is that, if I remember correctly, this incident had just happened days or weeks before that interview and Fr. Martin was talking about this immediately.  Over a decade later and another highly renowned Vatican insider and exorcist is saying the exact same thing.
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Why should it seem soo far fetched to believe also that there is still a second part to the Third Secret of Fatima. Boy, Our Lady must have pointed out what was going to occur from within the church from 1960-onwards or they wouldnt have waited all these years to foist the 1st part on the public.
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(05-10-2010, 06:26 PM)Iuvenalis Wrote: http://www.newoxfordreview.org/note.jsp?...otes-smoke

Quote:The Smoke of Satan in the Vatican?

May 2010

Fr. Gabriel Amorth has served as the Vatican's chief exorcist for the past quarter century. During those twenty-five years, the quietly outspoken priest has raised eyebrows with his sober accounts of brushes with the Devil — a routine occupational hazard for someone who has dealt with over 70,000 cases of demonic possession. But his recent declaration that Satan is alive and well in the heart of the Vatican itself has to rank as his most provocative revelation to date. According to a book of his memoirs recently released in Italy, Fr. Amorth claims to know of the existence of "Satanic sects" in the Vatican where participation reaches all the way to the College of Cardinals. "There are priests, monsignors and also cardinals!" he explained to Vatican journalist Marco Tosatti, who compiled Memoirs of an Exorcist from interviews with the priest. Asked by Tosatti how he knows Vatican clergy are involved, the exorcist answered, "I know from those who have been able to relate it to me because they had a way of knowing directly. And it's something ‘confessed' most times by the very demon under obedience during the exorcisms."

As one might expect, the secular media has had a laugh-a-thon over the seemingly histrionic comments from the 85-year-old priest. Admitting the existence of the Devil is still cause for ridicule and derision by nonbelievers, but at least one other Rome-based exorcist has taken issue with the charges. Fr. José Fortea, a Spaniard and former student of Fr. Amorth's, came publicly to the Vatican's defense, arguing that Fr. Amorth had gone well beyond the evidence in making his charges.

I see a pattern emerging that suggests to me that Fr. Fortea likes to promote himself as an academic elitist while contributing to cover-ups. Fr. Amorth was hardly the first citing such evidence, and he said he's spoken to those with direct knowledge. Fr. Malachi Martin, who worked in the Vatican during a crucial period and quite possibly had an IQ in the genius range, wrote about it in his last two books, especially Windswept House. In addition, the message of Akita approved by then-Cardinal Ratzinger warns exactly of this.

And contrary to popular belief, when Fr. Amorth mentioned the 70,000 estimate, he wasn't talking about 70,000 cases.  Fr. Martin also got criticized for mentioning hundreds of exorcisms or whatever the number was.  They're talking about repetitions of exorcism prayers, which reportedly often have to be done over and again for a single case.
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I'd like to know what's being done about all this though. Did Fr. Amorth report the clergy that have fallen? What is he doing about it besides writing books?

If he has all this information, I sure hope he's doing something about it.
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(05-12-2010, 08:44 AM)damooster Wrote: I'd like to know what's being done about all this though. Did Fr. Amorth report the clergy that have fallen? What is he doing about it besides writing books?

If he has all this information, I sure hope he's doing something about it.
I don't get the sense he has a list of names, re-read the article. He just know of their positions, which apparently go all the way to the Cardinalate.
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