debate with a Luther sympathizer
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(05-14-2010, 01:42 PM)legendofheasty Wrote: A good friend of mine recently sparked a debate between us.  I've been doing pretty well and could handle this latest exchange, but he's brought up some hotbutton issues that I figured you guys could equip me to fight:  (he agreed that Luther was out of line separating the Church instituted by Christ, and should have worked to reform instead of revolt, but...)

I would remind him that Luther actually added the word "alone" to Sacred Scripture, specifically, Romans 3:28.  He also discarded from the Bible, not only the Deuterocanonical books of the Old Testament, but the books of James, Jude, Hebrews, and the Apocalypse.  Why would anyone trust him to get anything else correct, and why would Christians have to wait over 15 centuries for Luther to come along and explain what true Christianity is?
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(05-16-2010, 08:02 PM)DJR Wrote:
(05-14-2010, 01:42 PM)legendofheasty Wrote: A good friend of mine recently sparked a debate between us.  I've been doing pretty well and could handle this latest exchange, but he's brought up some hotbutton issues that I figured you guys could equip me to fight:  (he agreed that Luther was out of line separating the Church instituted by Christ, and should have worked to reform instead of revolt, but...)

I would remind him that Luther actually added the word "alone" to Sacred Scripture, specifically, Romans 3:28.  He also discarded from the Bible, not only the Deuterocanonical books of the Old Testament, but the books of James, Jude, Hebrews, and the Apocalypse.  Why would anyone trust him to get anything else correct, and why would Christians have to wait over 15 centuries for Luther to come along and explain what true Christianity is?

Very interesting.  Do you have sources to offer concerning all those things?  I wasn't aware of more of those (just the part about the Old Testament books) and would love to have sources for using this information in the future.
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"We are compelled to concede to the Papists that they have the Word of God, that we received it from them, and that without them we should have no knowledge of it at all."
- Martin Luther


'Be a sinner, and let your sins be strong (sin boldly), but let your trust in Christ be stronger, and rejoice in Christ who is the victor over sin, death, and the world. '
-Luther



'MARTIN LUTHER YIELDED TO THE INFLUENCE OF HIS JEWISH FRIENDS UNKNOWINGLY, AND AGAIN, BY JEWISH AUTHORITY, AND WITH JEWISH FINANCE, HIS PLOT AGAINST THE CATHOLIC CHURCH MET WITH SUCCESS.
BUT UNFORTUNATELY HE DISCOVERED THE DECEPTION, AND BECAME A THREAT TO US, SO WE DISPOSED OF HIM AS WE HAVE SO MANY OTHERS WHO DARE TO OPPOSE US'

(Jewish B'nai B'rith Convention in Paris, published in the London Catholic Gazette, February, 1936; Paris Le Reveil du Peuple
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(05-16-2010, 08:57 PM)3Sanctus Wrote: Very interesting.  Do you have sources to offer concerning all those things?  I wasn't aware of more of those (just the part about the Old Testament books) and would love to have sources for using this information in the future.

It's a matter of history that Luther added the word "alone" to Romans.  You can find a short article about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luther_Bible

You can also read about it here by someone who actually defends Luther's addition and misleads others regarding history:

http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.co...s-328.html

A discussion of it from CA: http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=256965

As far as discarding books of the NT, you can read an article here:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03274a.htm
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