Luther: No, Absolutely No!
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(06-09-2010, 05:57 PM)PeterII Wrote: It's important to realize, as this article shows, that the Pope, despite his sympathy for Tradition, is still a liberal.  At his worst, he is JP II Light. 

I don't see that at all. I think the Pope if  a liberal is a rather a liberal in the classic sense of the word. And I do not view him as simply sympathetic to Tradition, if anything I view him as sympathetic to V2.

As I have stated before I believe that his Holiness would suppress the NO tomorrow if he thought that to be the best course of action in order to restore the traditions that we have lost. He as of this moment however is not of this view and its taking a slower approach unlike those of abrupt changes that happened after the council. 
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#22
look man the old order clergy are dieing off, if we dont restore soon there wont be a pope that can even speak latin they arent taught it enough, soon the liberals will win by attrition as there will be no bishops left that can speak latin, and the man that becomes pope will be at a loss.  soon there wont be any pre council clergy left.
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#23
(06-09-2010, 10:44 AM)glgas Wrote:
(06-09-2010, 10:09 AM)matthew_talbot Wrote:
(06-09-2010, 06:16 AM)glgas Wrote: Who will be better by such rejection? Does it promotes the required Christian love?

Giggles never met an apostate and heretic that he didn't want to snuggle with...  :-*

My problem is that some loud traditionalists here focus mostly on the negatives of others. The question is, who and how benefits from this?

How can they benefit if heretics do not realize that they are indeed heretics.  Its better to tell them the truth and bring them over to the true faith.
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(06-14-2010, 04:52 AM)churchesoffortwayne Wrote: look man the old order clergy are dieing off, if we dont restore soon there wont be a pope that can even speak latin they arent taught it enough, soon the liberals will win by attrition as there will be no bishops left that can speak latin, and the man that becomes pope will be at a loss.  soon there wont be any pre council clergy left.

You seem to have this backwards. The old clergy are the liberal ones, it is the new that have strong tendencies towards a true Catholic tradition.
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#25
Vetus Ordo Wrote:For the apostate friar, nothing would be more natural than to raise such sentiments in a Nazi leader and, more recently, in a Communist boss.

This is a little far-fetched. One is hard pressed to find Martin Luther lauding National Socialism or Communism.
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#26
LOok man the poison of liberalism has pervaded the seminarys and it soo rooted in there it is never coming out till the priests coming out till the priests are able to to the traditional rite, speak a deal of latin, and not do stupid liturgys of their own volition, and, those priests become bishops and keep such things from happening, as well as making sure that the priests also promote the culture of life and not be pro abortion.
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(06-14-2010, 08:34 PM)Credo Wrote:
Vetus Ordo Wrote:For the apostate friar, nothing would be more natural than to raise such sentiments in a Nazi leader and, more recently, in a Communist boss.

This is a little far-fetched. One is hard pressed to find Martin Luther lauding National Socialism or Communism.

I disagree I believe that many of the tenets of National Socialism would have been welcomed by Martin Luther, obviously Communism would not have been compatible with him, however if were to take away the anti-religious tendencies of communism I think Buzer would have been its advocate.
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#28
Unum Sint Wrote:I disagree I believe that many of the tenets of National Socialism would have been welcomed by Martin Luther

Attention, attention: Metahistory alert, metahistory alert.
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(06-17-2010, 01:00 PM)Credo Wrote:
Unum Sint Wrote:I disagree I believe that many of the tenets of National Socialism would have been welcomed by Martin Luther

Attention, attention: Metahistory alert, metahistory alert.

I thought this was purely academic...  :)
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#30
Forgive my impertinence.  :)

I can stomach grand narratives for Biblical history, even Church history, but when metahistory is applied to anything else I can't help but chuckle. The association of Luther with National Socialism is the classic example of historians trying to portray the history of Germany as a metahistory where that nation is shown to always be renegade, and where everything in German history leads up to Hitler. No doubt it was unwitting, Unum Sint.
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