Catholic Social Teaching
#11
Quote: Basically since government is in charge of providing for the welfare of its citizens, it is government's job to implement social justice.
Well, that might be your opinion, but it certainly is not Catholic.  Read Rerum Novarum and QA, then report back.  And define what you mean by "social justice".  It could mean many things.  If you mean that people are paid what they are due, and workers provide good service to their employer, then the Church views that as a duty on the personal level.  If you mean providing "free" goodies to everyone, then you are talking about socialism or fascism.  Or you are talking about something better defined as "social mercy".  In that case, the Church should provide relief to the poor, and Catholic aid societies should also carry out that work.  Certainly it is no place for the government as the bankrupt WORLD clearly proves.

Of course the government should provide a role in social justice.  It should provide impartial courts and arbitrators to settle disputes which must invariably arise.

Social Justice cuts both ways.  I just spent three weeks watching in disbelief as a bunch of "men" sat around whining and looting from their employer, working at about 30% efficiency milking jobs and getting paid $70/hr. in wages and benefits.  I am truly disgusted by it.
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#12
(07-04-2010, 09:21 PM)pax_vobis Wrote: Basically since government is in charge of providing for the welfare of its citizens, it is government's job to implement social justice.

Well, the Church has to work with and encourage government.  The two are never really isolated from each other.  The root of social justice, for the Church, is always fidelity to God’s revelation.  When Catholic Social Teaching states a moral principle, such as the duty to care for the poor, it is being true to Christ and the Gospel.  But when a document of CST offers a judgment about whether this or that economic policy provides a better advantage for the poor  -  we are dealing with another kind of teaching.

It may seem at times that the church is meddling in political and economic affairs.  But improving society and ending injustice is part of the Church’s mission.  While the Church must transcend every political system, she must still work within the social structure.
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#13
(07-04-2010, 08:53 PM)pax_vobis Wrote: Exactly how should it be implemented?
correctly.
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#14
(07-04-2010, 09:56 PM)Christopher Wrote:
(07-04-2010, 08:53 PM)pax_vobis Wrote: Exactly how should it be implemented?
correctly.
meaning??
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(07-04-2010, 10:22 PM)pax_vobis Wrote:
(07-04-2010, 09:56 PM)Christopher Wrote:
(07-04-2010, 08:53 PM)pax_vobis Wrote: Exactly how should it be implemented?
correctly.
meaning??

i think James02,  StrictCatholicGirl, and Scipio have provided very good basic answers to some elements of that question.  of course there are many more elements involved that would be time-consuming to discuss in detail here. many books have been written on the topic, after all, and papal encyclicals as well.  exactly what are you asking, what do you want to know?

i think you will find that Catholics all support Catholic social teaching, if they've been properly catechized and are obedient to the Church's teachings, but will have differing opinions on some of the specifics of how it should be carried out.

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#16
I know many people here are against all kinds of government handouts and I kninda used to be of the same opinion, but
I think it wouldn't be a bad thing if the government operated soup kitchens for the homeless, and had programs
for getting people work or even hiring them temporarily for public works projects(like stuff the Mexicans do).
Lets face it many of the people on welfare have felony convictions and its nigh impossible to get a job after one,
except as a drug dealer.

No one should go hungry in a country as/or was wealthy as the United States except those who refuse to work(that doesn't mean giving up finding work after exhaustive search).
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#17
(07-04-2010, 09:21 PM)pax_vobis Wrote: Basically since government is in charge of providing for the welfare of its citizens, it is government's job to implement social justice.


Ain't no justice, it's just us.
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#18
With all the money the gommint has spent to "help the poor" we should have no poor left in the country. The only people that get helped by government programs are bureaucrats.

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#19
(07-05-2010, 01:50 AM)Texican Wrote:
(07-04-2010, 09:21 PM)pax_vobis Wrote: Basically since government is in charge of providing for the welfare of its citizens, it is government's job to implement social justice.


Ain't no justice, it's just us.


Hey...that sounds like it could be the root of an EMINEM song...

reminiscent of my favorite...

"So the FCC won't let me be,
Or let me be me so let me see
They tried to shut me down on MTV
But it feels so empty without me."
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#20
At the very beginning of Katrina we got a glimpse at how it should work. Do you remember the highway that appeared to go right into the sea water ?
Do you remember all of those good old boys that dragged their "john boats" with 25 horse evinrudes from places like Arkansas and were in the water rescuing people before any one got there from any government agency ?.

I'm guessing you read the "never happened parable" I wrote concerning this in" what exactly is a Republican". Your response in that thread almost denies God is in charge. Jesus told us we as individuals are supposed to care for the poor, the orphan, the widow. etc.He didn't charge the government with that responsibility. The Church teaches subsidiarity, not re-distribution of wealth, that is condemned, it's socialism. Here it is again;

Here's a parable that never happened;
Jesus called Peter over and told Peter saying go get John and Matthew and go to Rome. I charge you to get John to Rome. He is young and handsome and will make a great Senator. Matthew will be in charge of getting money, period, let him work his tax magic. When you get to Rome go to the tailor on Canis his name is Leo Rugiens and he is a very chic Italian designer and  tunic maker. Then go to the Senate and buy a seat and pass socialistic legislation and forget about the parables outlining each person's responsibility to perform good works, we'll do it from the Senate.

Since you remarked in the other thread about how naive I was. I thought others should see the reason for this post about Catholic Social Teaching. One thing you should know is I am not 21, I'm 62 and I have seen all the changes in real time not in some silly book, so naive does not describe me.
tim. 
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