Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder
#1
I've been told that I may have a mild case of obsessive-compulsive disorder.  After reading a few things about the disorder, some things do match up. Here is a snippet from NIMH about OCD:

link: http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publicati...ndex.shtml
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Everyone double-checks things sometimes-for example, checking the stove before leaving the house, to make sure it’s turned off. But people with OCD feel the need to check things over and over, or have certain thoughts or perform routines and rituals over and over. The thoughts and rituals of OCD cause distress and get in the way of daily life.

The repeated, upsetting thoughts of OCD are called obsessions. To try to control them, people with OCD repeat rituals or behaviors, which are called compulsions. People with OCD can’t control these thoughts and rituals.

Examples of obsessions are fear of germs, of being hurt or of hurting others, and troubling religious or sexual thoughts. Examples of compulsions are repeatedly counting things, cleaning things, washing the body or parts of it, or putting things in a certain order, when these actions are not needed, and checking things over and over.

People with OCD have these thoughts and do these rituals for at least an hour on most days, often longer. The reason OCD gets in the way of their lives is that they can’t stop the thoughts or rituals, so they sometimes miss school, work, or meetings with friends, for example.

What are the symptoms of OCD?

People with OCD:

    * have repeated thoughts or images about many different things, such as fear of germs, dirt, or intruders; violence; hurting loved ones; sexual acts; conflicts with religious beliefs; or being overly neat.
    * do the same rituals over and over such as washing hands, locking and unlocking doors, counting, keeping unneeded items, or repeating the same steps again and again.
    * have unwanted thoughts and behaviors they can’t control.
    * don’t get pleasure from the behaviors or rituals, but get brief relief from the anxiety the thoughts cause.
    * spend at least an hour a day on the thoughts and rituals, which cause distress and get in the way of daily life.

The main trouble that I have is with obsessive thinking.  I do have some repetitive behaviors, such as checking and re-checking things, re-reading things.  And it takes me a long time to do some things, like leave the house, but it's not a huge problem.  I can see how performing repetitive behaviors distract me from the bad thoughts, and ease that part of it, but apparently, that will only make me worse.  The thoughts that plague me are mostly about disturbing sex acts, and I tend to beat myself up about it due to the sinful nature of the images that come to my mind.  These obsessive thoughts mostly surface during quiet times like while I'm trying to sleep, or when I'm at prayer, or even at Mass.  And another unfortunate thing is that being intimate with my husband triggers the obsessive thoughts, an effect that can last for days. The thoughts do get better when I'm not under stress, and they get way worse when I'm under alot of stress.  I can't go through life with every stressful thing eradicated, so living stress-free really isn't a good answer.

Does anyone else struggle with OCD or know someone who does?  If so, any helpful solutions?
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(07-08-2010, 07:13 PM)miss_fluffy Wrote: I've been told that I may have a mild case of obsessive-compulsive disorder.  After reading a few things about the disorder, some things do match up. Here is a snippet from NIMH about OCD:
That is a specific disorder. There are others.

Quote:The main trouble that I have is with obsessive thinking.  I do have some repetitive behaviors, such as checking and re-checking things, re-reading things.  And it takes me a long time to do some things, like leave the house, but it's not a huge problem.  I can see how performing repetitive behaviors distract me from the bad thoughts, and ease that part of it, but apparently, that will only make me worse.  The thoughts that plague me are mostly about disturbing sex acts, and I tend to beat myself up about it due to the sinful nature of the images that come to my mind.  These obsessive thoughts mostly surface during quiet times like while I'm trying to sleep, or when I'm at prayer, or even at Mass.  And another unfortunate thing is that being intimate with my husband triggers the obsessive thoughts, an effect that can last for days. The thoughts do get better when I'm not under stress, and they get way worse when I'm under alot of stress.  I can't go through life with every stressful thing eradicated, so living stress-free really isn't a good answer.

Does anyone else struggle with OCD or know someone who does?  If so, any helpful solutions?

That doesn't sound like OCD, but Obsessive Compulsive Personality (Disorder).

You could check out a qualified practitioner of the medical/psychological arts.

I sometimes get bizarre thoughts out of nowhere (not normally sexual, but the similar thing). I think it is common, and I've learned not to be bothered by them. Just reject them as a product of a flawed mind and say a short prayer and wonder about God's love for such flawed creatures.

When stressed, I do act quite obsessively which can interfere with productivity and relaxation (leading to more stress). One could deliberately focus the mind on something (like mentally go over doing something which may have a lot of detail) and this can help one relax. Imagine going somewhere (real or not, as long as you chose the content) and "explore" it. If one is wanting to sleep, that will likely happen on its own.

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(07-08-2010, 07:21 PM)Herr_Mannelig Wrote:
(07-08-2010, 07:13 PM)miss_fluffy Wrote: I've been told that I may have a mild case of obsessive-compulsive disorder.  After reading a few things about the disorder, some things do match up. Here is a snippet from NIMH about OCD:
That is a specific disorder. There are others.

Quote:The main trouble that I have is with obsessive thinking.  I do have some repetitive behaviors, such as checking and re-checking things, re-reading things.  And it takes me a long time to do some things, like leave the house, but it's not a huge problem.  I can see how performing repetitive behaviors distract me from the bad thoughts, and ease that part of it, but apparently, that will only make me worse.  The thoughts that plague me are mostly about disturbing sex acts, and I tend to beat myself up about it due to the sinful nature of the images that come to my mind.  These obsessive thoughts mostly surface during quiet times like while I'm trying to sleep, or when I'm at prayer, or even at Mass.  And another unfortunate thing is that being intimate with my husband triggers the obsessive thoughts, an effect that can last for days. The thoughts do get better when I'm not under stress, and they get way worse when I'm under alot of stress.  I can't go through life with every stressful thing eradicated, so living stress-free really isn't a good answer.

Does anyone else struggle with OCD or know someone who does?  If so, any helpful solutions?

That doesn't sound like OCD, but Obsessive Compulsive Personality (Disorder).

You could check out a qualified practitioner of the medical/psychological arts.

I sometimes get bizarre thoughts out of nowhere (not normally sexual, but the similar thing). I think it is common, and I've learned not to be bothered by them. Just reject them as a product of a flawed mind and say a short prayer and wonder about God's love for such flawed creatures.

When stressed, I do act quite obsessively which can interfere with productivity and relaxation (leading to more stress). One could deliberately focus the mind on something (like mentally go over doing something which may have a lot of detail) and this can help one relax. Imagine going somewhere (real or not, as long as you chose the content) and "explore" it. If one is wanting to sleep, that will likely happen on its own.


Think maybe I do, too. But as Herr M. says, I've learned not to be bothered by them. When I leave the house in the morning, I check the stove countless times. I also suffer from compulsive thoughts and used to beg God's forgiveness ad infinitum, but once I learned there was a name for this peculiar behavior and that others were plagued by it as well, I really did stop worrying. Misery loves company. Not really. But God loves me quirks and all.  :)
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#4
I've had the urge to engage in repetitive behaviors since I was very young (5 or 6 maybe?) but I've always told myself that I'm stronger than needing to do those kinds of things (like touching both sides of a doorknob when I open or close a door, or, if I look at one corner of a room, needing to look at all of the other corners of a room an equal number of times--till it "feels right").  When I was about 12 or so, it seemed to have gotten worse, I guess due to the onset of adolescence, and I was beginning to have irrational fears, especially of the dark. Actually, I'm still a pretty afraid of the dark, but I try not to let it bother me. I eventually told myself that I was stronger than any of these irrational fears or behaviors, and it lessened. I recognized even as a young child that it was all rather ridiculous, so I'm guessing that's what has helped me not let it overtake my life. I ask myself, "What's the worst that can happen if I don't do X?" I never come up with a good answer. During times of stress, like you said, Miss Fluffy, it gets worse, and it takes me a while to remind myself how silly it all is.

I've never been to a doctor about it at all... That would, to me, validate the irrational fears and behaviors, and I'd rather just deal with it without medical intervention. Plus, like I said, it's never been so bad that it's interfered with my day-to-day life.

So my best advice is to recognize that the thoughts you're having are irrational, say to yourself, "This isn't going to bother me right now" and then really try not to let it bother you. It takes practice. I still touch both sides of the doorknob sometimes.  And I sleep with my bedroom door open. It could be worse.  :shrug:

I do know someone who struggles quite a bit more with OCD, and the most I can do is to tell him to stop when I see him engaging in compulsive behaviors, and to not comply when he asks me to "check" things for him. I won't feed into his irrational fears and actions, just like I try not to feed into my own.

Also, I think it's only OCD when the obsessive thoughts you're having compel you to do some sort of behavior or action (hence the obsessions and the compulsions in "OCD"). Herr might be onto something about it being a different diagnosis. Dr. Herr Mannelig, mental health specialist.
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#5
Fluffy, remember that the devils and evil spirits can put imagines in our minds. Thoughts in and of themselves are not sins, we have to consent to them. I know of what you speak too, so I understand how disturbing they be. One holy confessor told me to try to remember to keep calm at such temptations too as the devils are trying to excite our passions. He also gave me a very good prayer: "O Jesus, Lover of chastity, have mercy on me."
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#6
I have to release it now.

I've written the post, and not posted it several times. The little things in life like subject-verb agreement always make me serene. It should be "The little things are big things". I waited for a man to post on that thread, and I didn't see any yet so I didn't want to be the first.

It was torture.
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#7
(07-09-2010, 08:10 AM)Herr_Mannelig Wrote: I have to release it now.

I've written the post, and not posted it several times. The little things in life like subject-verb agreement always make me serene. It should be "The little things are big things". I waited for a man to post on that thread, and I didn't see any yet so I didn't want to be the first.

It was torture.

Two men have posted there. Also, Iolanthe doesn't seem to have internet access in Italy so you're safe.  :)
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#8
Herr... I looked up obsessive compulsive personality disorder and it looks much worse!  I'm pretty sure that's not my problem.

Anyways, the person who suggested this to me was a psychologist, and he didn't indicate that he was sure about it, just that I exhibited some of the behaviors.  It's not a big problem or anything.  Nothing I can't handle with God on my side!  :pray2:

Thanks for the suggestions, I think it's true that the best way to handle this is just to not make a huge deal out of it.
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#9
(07-09-2010, 04:09 PM)miss_fluffy Wrote: Herr... I looked up obsessive compulsive personality disorder and it looks much worse!  I'm pretty sure that's not my problem.
It isn't worse. It is just an obsessive compulsive personality. OCD itself usually refers to specific obsessions and compulsions. OCP refers to a person who is obsessive compulsive in all things.

Naturally, if it doesn't cause a problem, or is very mild (compared to the disorder) then it isn't a disorder and just a personality.

Quote:Anyways, the person who suggested this to me was a psychologist, and he didn't indicate that he was sure about it, just that I exhibited some of the behaviors.  It's not a big problem or anything.  Nothing I can't handle with God on my side!  :pray2:
OCD like symptoms can be found in various classifications. Whether one "qualifies" for a specific label though sometimes can be difficult to determine.

To add a little levity, anyone ever see "Analyse That"? The man character comes home and is greeted by the FBI, Agent (whatever), OCD and he looks at the badge and says "Obsessive Compulsive Disorder?". I love that scene (it stood for "Organised Crime Division".
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(07-09-2010, 07:39 PM)Herr_Mannelig Wrote: To add a little levity, anyone ever see "Analyse That"? The man character comes home and is greeted by the FBI, Agent (whatever), OCD and he looks at the badge and says "Obsessive Compulsive Disorder?". I love that scene (it stood for "Organised Crime Division".

I imagine many here, faced with a similar situation, would say, "Order of Carmelites, Discalced?"
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