Are there any traditional Orders left?
#11
I believe there's a traditional Trappist monastery in Germany someplace (my lack of German skills precludes me from researching that much).  I believe there's also a Benedictine monastery that's traditional in Norcia (Nursia) that's pretty new, looked pretty nifty.  :)
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#12
There's a Dominican Monastery in Silver Creek (?) New Mexico.
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#13
Want to be a religious brother:

Both are now under the bishop-----

        Diocese of Worcester, Massachusetts      www.saintbenedict.com

          Diocese of Manchester , New Hampshire      www.catholicism.org


BOTH ARE TRADITIONAL AND TOTALLY LATIN MASS
   
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#14
(07-15-2010, 01:30 PM)Credo Wrote:
mike6240 Wrote:http://www.christthekingabbey.org/  (Benedictine - sede / independent)

Terce at 5am?
None at 11am?
Compline at 7:30pm?

Of all people one would think that the Benedictines would keep the proper times for the Office.

While the VII documents on the breviary put some emphasis on restoring the hours to their proper time, from what I’ve read the above schedule doesn’t seem out of synch with what had become traditional in later centuries, and these monks are following a pre VII praxis.

It is my understanding that traditionally Terce is chanted before the conventional Mass.  I found a few references to this, including the Wikipedia article on a Papal Mass  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_Mass : While the psalms of Terce were being chanted, he read the prayers of preparation for Mass, during which his buskins and papal slippers were put on. He then sang the prayer of Terce..

Because the above community has their conventional Mass is at 6:00 AM, they would chant Terce before hand.  I notice that the Carmelites in Wyoming do likewise, combining Prime with Terce before their conventional Mass at sunrise http://www.carmelitemonks.org/Dayinthelife.html.

I suppose the chanting of Sext and None together at mid day is for the pragmatic reason of not disrupting the afternoon work period.  I noticed that the Wyoming Carmelites chant Sext just before, and None just after, their mid day meal.

Compline at 7:30 PM would not be unusual for a community that rises at 3 or 4 AM.  Not everybody is a night owl, and having spent some time in villages of rural South and Central America, and East Africa, without electric light, people go to bed shortly after the sun goes down.

The Trappist Abbey of Gethsemani http://www.monks.org/daily_schedule.html, which I’m presuming uses the Liturgy of the Hours, as they do not have Prime, says Terce at 7:30 AM (after Mass at 6:00 AM), and likewise have Compline at 7:30 PM.

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#15
Yes, one of the FE posters, Markadm (?), has a good blog

http://tradvocations.blogspot.com/2008/0...-with.html

@3Sanctus:
http://tradvocations.blogspot.com/search.../Mariawald
Mariawald.  :)
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#16
Thanks for sharing CollegeCatholic!

I don't suppose anyone knows if any Trappist communities in America have considered the switch?  I've visited one of those communities twice and they seemed pretty comfortable in the post VII environment.  I don't suppose the communities with more young men (or women!) have gotten some of the fresh blood of the traditional movement?

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#17
(07-15-2010, 12:19 PM)vtcatholic Wrote: Hi everyone. So a few months back during the last month of the semester, I was taking a religious studies course called "The Catholic Church in the Modern World." It was a pretty good class, it was more history than theology but at the end of the Semester, we got to Vatican II. One of the assignments was to write about why we thought Vatican II was a great thing. It wasn't "give your thoughts, based on the class, on Vatican II" but as paper on why we loved it. I wrote my paper on why I, as a Catholic, could not find Vatican II to be a great thing. The professor, fortunately, didn't give me too hard of a time, just said that I was "old fashioned." Then he challenged me to go into more depth and if I felt like it, write a research paper over the summer (not for credit) explaining if and why I was opposed to the News Mass, modernism, etc.

So as of now I've been working on it all summer. It's going pretty well, I'm on page 17 at the moment. One issue though that I'm finding hard to address are if there are any traditional branches of the ancient orders, in union with Rome, or sede? I'm not referring to the FSSP, SSPX or CRNJ. I mean like Franciscans, Dominicans, etc who celebrate only the Latin Mass? Any help would be greatly appreciated!

You may have already thought of this but merely citing the statistics on the religious orders before and after Vatican II makes a strong case for the absence of  "renewal".
I seem to remember that before Vatican II many religious orders rejected almost 50% of those who applied. Hard to imagine now.

c.
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#18
(07-15-2010, 05:22 PM)3Sanctus Wrote: Thanks for sharing CollegeCatholic!

I don't suppose anyone knows if any Trappist communities in America have considered the switch?  I've visited one of those communities twice and they seemed pretty comfortable in the post VII environment.  I don't suppose the communities with more young men (or women!) have gotten some of the fresh blood of the traditional movement?

No idea.  But, far as I know, Mark's blog is the most exhaustive.  :)
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#19
Thanks for the replies everyone. Just out of curiosity, does anyone know anything about the "Traditional Order of Preachers" who run St. Michael's (Independent) parish in Florida?
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#20
Why would you write a 20 page (and growing) paper for no credit?  It exhausts me just thinking about doing such a thing.
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