The fruits of VII: Who cares what the Church teaches
(07-22-2010, 04:35 PM)glgas Wrote:
(07-22-2010, 04:22 PM)Walty Wrote: Would such an all out attack on the Church's moral teaching from the secular world have been successful (or even possible) in a pre-Conciliar world?

Limiting the number of children to one two in a family in the Western world started in the 19th century, definitely unrelated to the XXI ecumenical council. This was somewhat delayed in the US, but the present status is certainly independent from the council. The reproductive factor has strong correlation with the wealth, and no correlation at all with religion, or religious adherence, except for some extreme minority groups, like the ultraconservative Jews.

Apparently  you believe that the XXII ecumenical council had mythical power to change the word even backward. It had not.

I'm wondering if you can back any of this up with fact.  I don't think most American families limited their number of children to one or two in the 19th century.  That seems to have been quite uncommon in that time period.  And while it is possible that increased wealth and moving away from farming via the Industrial Revolution might have slightly lowered sexual frequency and thus children, there is no proof or logical reason why the 19th century prosperity magically caused an increase in people saying "to hell with the Church's teachings" and committing sins with impunity (or legalizing them) like straight up contraception and the murdering of the unborn.  Having a few less kids is one thing.  Purposefully going against the teachings of the Church is another.  My point is that the latter, and the massive apostasy that these decisions have gone with, would not be possible without the recent attempt to make the Church more acceptable to Modern Man.

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Re: The fruits of VII: Who cares what the Church teaches - by Walty - 07-22-2010, 04:44 PM

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