Bp W Column: Vocations-Wherefrom?
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ELEISON  COMMENTS  CLXVIII  (2 Oct. 2010) : VOCATIONS  --  WHEREFROM ?.

"After following over tens of years a variety of part-time and full-time courses in the Humanities at two universities in major cities of an "advanced" Western nation, Robert (as I will call him) finds himself in substantial agreement with the criticism of modern universities that appeared in a recent "Eleison Comments" (EC 158), but he has an interesting objection that goes one, or two, steps further. Let us begin with his live experience of today's university "system".

A few years ago, after seemingly endless years of study, Robert did finally obtain his Doctorate in history, but only just, and in such a way as to disqualify him from ever getting a job as a university professor. The politically correct system, he says, had successfully defended itself from his "extreme right" ideas. "The integrist had been muzzled, democracy had been saved. The imbecile had thrown himself in front of the steamroller, and he had been duly crushed, as easily as Winston in George Orwell's famous novel, 1984."

"Given my experience," he writes, "I would recommend no youngster to study Humanities at any University, still less my own children. Let them rather choose some manual trade or advanced technical training, the ideal being to work for oneself, in the country or at most in a small town, so as to avoid today's enslavement to salary." Had he his life to live over again, he says, that is what he would do, because as a Catholic intellectual he feels that his action has been limited to giving witness.

However, Robert has a serious objection to this solution of preferring some manual trade or advanced technical training. In brief, engineers may be better paid than philosophers, but the clip-clear nature of their work - on-off, zero-one - will disincline them to take any interest in the human, all too human, complications of religion or politics. Ideally, one might be a technician by day and a poet by night, but in reality it is difficult to lead a life divided between such opposites, says Robert, and a man will normally lose interest in one or the other.

He observes the same tension within the Society of St Pius X school in his part of the world. In theory the Humanities there have pride of place, but in practice boys and staff tend to go for the Sciences because of the better job openings.  The youngsters coming out of the school are correspondingly less well equipped to understand in depth the problems of the Conciliar Church or the modern world, as it seems to Robert. End of his testimony.

The problem is grave. For instance, the SSPX schools are under pressure to incline towards the sciences, but future priests surely need rather a good formation in the Humanities, because souls do not function on clip-clear one-zero, on-off. Yet if vocations do not come from the SSPX's own schools, where will they come from ?  How are things spiritual to be protected in a whole world giving itself over to things material ?  How are boys' souls to be oriented towards the priesthood ?  I have observed that what is decisive in many cases is their father taking his religion seriously. Read in the Old Testament the book of Tobias (neither long nor difficult to understand) to see how God rewards fathers through their sons.                       

Kyrie eleison."
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(10-03-2010, 11:25 PM)SaintRafael Wrote: The problem is grave. For instance, the SSPX schools are under pressure to incline towards the sciences, but future priests surely need rather a good formation in the Humanities, because souls do not function on clip-clear one-zero, on-off. Yet if vocations do not come from the SSPX's own schools, where will they come from ?  How are things spiritual to be protected in a whole world giving itself over to things material ?  How are boys' souls to be oriented towards the priesthood ?  I have observed that what is decisive in many cases is their father taking his religion seriously. Read in the Old Testament the book of Tobias (neither long nor difficult to understand) to see how God rewards fathers through their sons.                       

If only signals were that clear!  :( 

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(10-03-2010, 11:25 PM)SaintRafael Wrote: In brief, engineers may be better paid than philosophers, but the clip-clear nature of their work - on-off, zero-one - will disincline them to take any interest in the human, all too human, complications of religion or politics. Ideally, one might be a technician by day and a poet by night, but in reality it is difficult to lead a life divided between such opposites, says Robert, and a man will normally lose interest in one or the other.

As an engineer, I have to take exception this.  It is true neither of myself nor of my coworkers, most of whom have a serious interest in politics, religion, history, and so on.
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(10-03-2010, 11:41 PM)cgraye Wrote:
(10-03-2010, 11:25 PM)SaintRafael Wrote: In brief, engineers may be better paid than philosophers, but the clip-clear nature of their work - on-off, zero-one - will disincline them to take any interest in the human, all too human, complications of religion or politics. Ideally, one might be a technician by day and a poet by night, but in reality it is difficult to lead a life divided between such opposites, says Robert, and a man will normally lose interest in one or the other.

As an engineer, I have to take exception this.  It is true neither of myself nor of my coworkers, most of whom have a serious interest in politics, religion, history, and so on.

True.  Some of the most devoted people I have met to religion, politics, arts, and the humanities has been engineers or scientists (at least in school).

Also, I don't know of any philosophers that get paid.

Just sayin'.
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OP story....Yeah..because every ingnorant serf and peasant who took his Faith seriously was a poet secretly at night....he got whacked in academia because he was a kook...there are plenty of conservatives...I know serveral...about as far right as can reasonably be expected...and yes they run into trouble...but lets face facts...I know one who actually teaches at a black university...it don't get much more whaky liberal...and he's doing just fine...


not capping on +W here...but Robert.....guess we'll see where +W takes this next week....does he give us his answer....
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Also, I don't think Bp. Williamson knows a thing about the sciences or engineering.  Has he ever taken a course in statics?  Yes, everything equals zero, but good luck trying to make it do that.  A course on circuitry?  Maybe conservation and accounting principles?  Or what about building a PCB. 

Nothing in this world is clip-clear, on-off.  Your computers use a sine wave (definitely not on-off) to operate. 

The engineer's job is just as hard, if not harder, than the philosophers. 

Besides, if the engineer gets his stuff wrong, people can die.  If the philosopher does, well, he can write a new sheet of paper. 

:)
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(10-04-2010, 12:05 AM)CollegeCatholic Wrote: Besides, if the engineer gets his stuff wrong, people can die.  If the philosopher does, well, he can write a new sheet of paper. 
:)

Tell that to the millions upon millions of people who died in the 20th century thanks to the teachings, writings, ideas, and philosophy of Mr. Karl Marx.

England has yet to recover from Hume. Kant and Nietzsche are still destroying the minds of people and making them go crazy year after year, decade after decade, century after century.

Make no mistake about it, A philosopher may seem harmless, not paid attention to in his lifetime, and die a nobody, but one hundred years later he is king. He runs the universities and the world, thereby destroying the minds, bodies, faith and souls of millions of people who end up  with serious problems on Earth and being damned for eternity in the next life.
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I was going to point out so bad philosphs as well....add to that Chesteron's adhernse to Socialism and promtion of a new socialism....just nuts...the cost of those things...even without the murder that is inherent...are incalcuable...money, emotional, health etc...cost cost cost...
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I can't wait for James 02, but till he get's here I'll breach the gap. I was a Mfg. Engineer all of my life, have you ever had to direct;
millwrights, programmers,tool and die makers, machinists, and then the guys who would run the system ? Man o man if you ain't people directed I can't figure how you could get it done. Diverse isn't strong enough as a modifier to describe it. You work with these guys, eat with these guys, sneak cigarettes with 'em, and drink polish pops with each small victory. Contrary to the popular myth God, politics, religion, and sex are all discussed. I remember once when a guy was really complaining about ownership and remarked all we need to do is die and pay taxes, I sailed into him and told him you must love the Lord with all of your heat, soul, and strength, and everyone else as yourself. He was flabbergasted and the news spread like wildfire at what I had said. A few years later we had consultants in to look over the operation, all of the guys told them I was the only guy that ran the company right.
You don't need to be a Humanities Major to know what to say, Jesus told the little ones and argued with the High Priests and the rest of the smartie pants.
Christe Elieson,
tim
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(10-04-2010, 06:44 AM)timoose Wrote: I can't wait for James 02, but till he get's here I'll breach the gap. I was a Mfg. Engineer all of my life, have you ever had to direct;
millwrights, programmers,tool and die makers, machinists, and then the guys who would run the system ? Man o man if you ain't people directed I can't figure how you could get it done. Diverse isn't strong enough as a modifier to describe it. You work with these guys, eat with these guys, sneak cigarettes with 'em, and drink polish pops with each small victory. Contrary to the popular myth God, politics, religion, and sex are all discussed. I remember once when a guy was really complaining about ownership and remarked all we need to do is die and pay taxes, I sailed into him and told him you must love the Lord with all of your heat, soul, and strength, and everyone else as yourself. He was flabbergasted and the news spread like wildfire at what I had said. A few years later we had consultants in to look over the operation, all of the guys told them I was the only guy that ran the company right.
You don't need to be a Humanities Major to know what to say, Jesus told the little ones and argued with the High Priests and the rest of the smartie pants.
Christe Elieson,
tim


Its seems from your story that it wasn't your engineering skills that enabled you to run the company well but rather your non-engineering leadership skills.  The fact that the guy was flabbergasted by your witness and the fact that the news spread like wildfire shows that what you said was correct but ultimately outside of the "norm" of the discussions.  Had there been a group of liberal troublemakers, you might have wound up like "Robert" and been locked out of your job or enabled a new policy restricting certain topics to be implemented.
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