Is Christian Unity possible?
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INPEFESS Wrote:False ecumenism, feeding off the ambiguity of Vatican II, yet justifying itself with the "traditional interpretation" of Vatican II, is a sure means by which the dogmatic mutability of the Modernists can be brought about and actuated. Though this end has not yet been officially declared, pronounced, or taught, it is the sure means by which this end is accomplished. Perceiving the Church's teachings according to the principles of "modern thought" (as stated by John XXIII) is the very purpose of the Second Vatican Council.

It seems they are deluding themselves who insist that we must interpret these documents "in light of tradition." That is specifically contrary to the very intention of the teachings of this council. Nevertheless, the "traditional interpretation" is what we are told we must consider every time one of these novel implementations is contradicted by some aspect of Church teaching. The implementation of this ecumenical activity appeals to "modern thought" as the means by which this false ecumenical activity is justified, but, when Catholics object, the "traditional interpretation" is the justification of sorts that can look so good on paper when it cites magisterial teachings as its base.

It is brilliant, it is deceptive, and it is the language of the devil speaking in the Church.

I don't see how anyone with understanding of this method can assert that this is not the work of Modernism.

Very good points.  Let us not forget that neo-modernism is also at work:

"It is the idea that old dogmas or beliefs must be retained, yet not the traditional 'formulas': dogmas must be expressed and interpreted in a new way in every age so as to meet the 'needs of modern man'.  This is still a denial of the traditional and common sense notion of truth as adaequatio intellectus et rei (insofar as it is still an attempt to make the terminology that expresses the faith correspond with our modern lifestyle) and consequently of the immutability of Catholic dogma, yet it is not as radical as modernism.  It is more subtle and much more deceptive than modernism because it claims that the faith must be retained; it is only the 'formulas' of faith that must be abandoned--they use the term 'formula' to distinguish the supposedly mutable words of our creeds, dogmas, etc. from their admittedly immutable meanings.  Therefore, neo-modernism can effectively slip under the radar of most pre-conciliar condemnations (except Humani generis, which condemns it directly) insofar as its practitioners claim that their new and unintelligible theological terminology really expresses the same faith of all times.  In other words, neo-modernism is supposed to be 'dynamic orthodoxy': supposedly orthodox in meaning, yet always changing in expression to adapt to modern life (cf. Franciscan University of Steubenville's mission statement).

http://iteadthomam.blogspot.com/2010/09/...at-is.html


"In theology some want to reduce to a minimum the meaning of dogmas; and to free dogma itself from terminology long established in the Church and from philosophical concepts held by Catholic teachers, to bring about a return in the explanation of Catholic doctrine to the way of speaking used in Holy Scripture and by the Fathers of the Church. They cherish the hope that when dogma is stripped of the elements which they hold to be extrinsic to divine revelation, it will compare advantageously with the dogmatic opinions of those who are separated from the unity of the Church and that in this way they will gradually arrive at a mutual assimilation of Catholic dogma with the tenets of the dissidents.

"Moreover they assert that when Catholic doctrine has been reduced to this condition, a way will be found to satisfy modern needs, that will permit of dogma being expressed also by the concepts of modern philosophy, whether of immanentism or idealism or existentialism or any other system. Some more audacious affirm that this can and must be done, because they hold that the mysteries of faith are never expressed by truly adequate concepts but only by approximate and ever changeable notions, in which the truth is to some extent expressed, but is necessarily distorted. Wherefore they do not consider it absurd, but altogether necessary, that theology should substitute new concepts in place of the old ones in keeping with the various philosophies which in the course of time it uses as its instruments, so that it should give human expression to divine truths in various ways which are even somewhat opposed, but still equivalent, as they say" (Pope Pius XII, Humani Generis, nn. 14-15).
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Is Christian Unity possible? - by AntoniusMaximus - 10-04-2010, 10:35 PM
Re: Is Christian Unity possible? - by Cetil - 10-04-2010, 10:52 PM
Re: Is Christian Unity possible? - by glgas - 10-05-2010, 07:21 AM
Re: Is Christian Unity possible? - by INPEFESS - 10-05-2010, 04:57 PM
Re: Is Christian Unity possible? - by Cyriacus - 10-06-2010, 12:02 AM
Re: Is Christian Unity possible? - by Lagrange - 10-06-2010, 05:47 AM
Re: Is Christian Unity possible? - by Lagrange - 10-06-2010, 05:53 AM
Re: Is Christian Unity possible? - by Exilenomore - 10-06-2010, 10:17 AM
Re: Is Christian Unity possible? - by INPEFESS - 10-06-2010, 10:25 AM
Re: Is Christian Unity possible? - by timoose - 10-06-2010, 12:25 PM
Re: Is Christian Unity possible? - by 3Sanctus - 10-06-2010, 03:23 PM
Re: Is Christian Unity possible? - by LatinGuy - 10-06-2010, 03:24 PM
Re: Is Christian Unity possible? - by Pomprincess - 10-07-2010, 07:42 PM
Re: Is Christian Unity possible? - by INPEFESS - 10-07-2010, 07:54 PM
Re: Is Christian Unity possible? - by Pomprincess - 10-07-2010, 08:12 PM
Re: Is Christian Unity possible? - by INPEFESS - 10-07-2010, 08:20 PM
Re: Is Christian Unity possible? - by Mixolydian - 11-19-2010, 05:29 PM
Re: Is Christian Unity possible? - by Vetus Ordo - 11-19-2010, 09:18 PM
Re: Is Christian Unity possible? - by LatinGuy - 11-19-2010, 09:20 PM
Re: Is Christian Unity possible? - by timoose - 11-19-2010, 09:42 PM
Re: Is Christian Unity possible? - by Vetus Ordo - 11-19-2010, 09:44 PM
Re: Is Christian Unity possible? - by LatinGuy - 11-19-2010, 10:10 PM
Re: Is Christian Unity possible? - by Vetus Ordo - 11-19-2010, 10:12 PM
Re: Is Christian Unity possible? - by Scipio_a - 11-19-2010, 11:39 PM
Re: Is Christian Unity possible? - by Vetus Ordo - 11-19-2010, 11:41 PM
Re: Is Christian Unity possible? - by Scipio_a - 11-19-2010, 11:44 PM
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Re: Is Christian Unity possible? - by icecream - 11-20-2010, 12:50 AM
Re: Is Christian Unity possible? - by Scipio_a - 11-20-2010, 12:53 AM
Re: Is Christian Unity possible? - by Historian - 11-20-2010, 02:07 AM
Re: Is Christian Unity possible? - by Vetus Ordo - 11-20-2010, 11:07 AM
Re: Is Christian Unity possible? - by icecream - 11-20-2010, 11:38 AM
Re: Is Christian Unity possible? - by Historian - 11-20-2010, 02:52 PM
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Re: Is Christian Unity possible? - by Totterman - 11-21-2010, 05:48 AM
Re: Is Christian Unity possible? - by Historian - 11-21-2010, 04:50 PM
Re: Is Christian Unity possible? - by Historian - 11-25-2010, 10:23 AM
Re: Is Christian Unity possible? - by Vetus Ordo - 11-25-2010, 02:12 PM
Re: Is Christian Unity possible? - by INPEFESS - 11-27-2010, 02:17 AM
Re: Is Christian Unity possible? - by INPEFESS - 11-27-2010, 12:10 PM
Re: Is Christian Unity possible? - by INPEFESS - 11-27-2010, 12:22 PM
Re: Is Christian Unity possible? - by Vetus Ordo - 11-27-2010, 12:38 PM
Re: Is Christian Unity possible? - by INPEFESS - 11-27-2010, 12:46 PM
Re: Is Christian Unity possible? - by INPEFESS - 11-27-2010, 12:48 PM
Re: Is Christian Unity possible? - by INPEFESS - 11-27-2010, 12:52 PM
Re: Is Christian Unity possible? - by Vetus Ordo - 11-27-2010, 12:58 PM
Re: Is Christian Unity possible? - by SouthpawLink - 11-27-2010, 01:25 PM
Re: Is Christian Unity possible? - by INPEFESS - 11-27-2010, 02:58 PM
Re: Is Christian Unity possible? - by INPEFESS - 11-27-2010, 03:01 PM
Re: Is Christian Unity possible? - by Vetus Ordo - 11-27-2010, 03:17 PM
Re: Is Christian Unity possible? - by INPEFESS - 11-28-2010, 12:05 AM
Re: Is Christian Unity possible? - by INPEFESS - 11-28-2010, 01:49 AM



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