refuse smokers employment
#11
(10-11-2010, 09:54 AM)spasiisochrani Wrote: It's legal, and it's becoming more common to discriminate against smokers.  Cleveland Clinic requires all new hires to be non-smokers, and tests them before employing them.

http://my.clevelandclinic.org/Documents/...tement.pdf

ok, so they have a right to do that presumably. is there no valid defense for smokers being targeted by these laws ;/
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#12
(10-11-2010, 01:08 PM)MC Wrote: ok, so they have a right to do that presumably. is there no valid defense for smokers being targeted by these laws ;/

In the US, you can't discriminate against people for reasons of race, color, religion, sex, national origin, disability, genetic information, or age. 

http://www.eeoc.gov/facts/qanda.html

You can discriminate against people who use tobacco.

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#13
(10-11-2010, 05:13 PM)spasiisochrani Wrote: In the US, you can't discriminate against people for reasons of race, color, religion, sex, national origin, disability, genetic information, or age. 

http://www.eeoc.gov/facts/qanda.html

You can discriminate against people who use tobacco.

Before long that list will include things like homosexuality - it's on it's way.

At the university I attended the Army ROTC program started a student organization ("club" or what have you) but was forced to shut it down since only ROTC members could join, which meant open homosexuals could not join - this meant the organization was breaking university policy, which bans discrimination based on sexual orientation.

I seem to remember also reading at some point about Christian organizations at some university fighting to keep non-Christians out so their groups would not be high-jacked.
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#14
I only hire pipe and cigar smokers, just because.  I can legally do that, right? 
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#15
I know a lot of the Baptist folk round here would probably not hire you. Smoking is from the Devil apparently. So is drinking. That's two strikes for me then...not good in this job market.
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#16
I would say that a smoking habit is a medical condition and that it should be protected under HIPPA, and if someone pursued this in court, they should win.  It's one thing to state that you are not allowed to smoke on the property of a business, but what you do on your own time is your own business.
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#17
In fact, smokers could start by refusing to answer such questions on an employment application, stating that they don't wish to reveal personal medical information.
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#18
Well, you could always try these:

http://www.blucigs.com/

You're not smoking - you're "vaping".  Supposedly you can "smoke" these anywhere - hospitals, bars, stores at work and on airplanes.

Looks pretty neat.
;D

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#19
(10-15-2010, 11:33 AM)miss_fluffy Wrote: I would say that a smoking habit is a medical condition and that it should be protected under HIPPA, and if someone pursued this in court, they should win.  It's one thing to state that you are not allowed to smoke on the property of a business, but what you do on your own time is your own business.

if it's a medical condition, as an addiction, couldn't you just be forced to undergo treatment for it?
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#20
(10-15-2010, 11:34 AM)miss_fluffy Wrote: In fact, smokers could start by refusing to answer such questions on an employment application, stating that they don't wish to reveal personal medical information.

It isn't on applications, but on insurance forms. Lying to insurance companies to obtain coverage is fraud and a crime.
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