refuse smokers employment
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(10-18-2010, 12:47 PM)Bakuryokuso Wrote:
(10-18-2010, 02:30 AM)Scipio_a Wrote: And there shouldn't be ANY tax on it...so what does that tell you...

Cig price is mostly .gov theft....more .govs working to enslave you....vote for slavery...vote .gov today

Taxes on vices make sense though - it's an easy revenue grab for governments. It also helps reflect the true cost of smoking to society.

It also makes sense financially to get all one can from addicts. I mean, if people will pay for it and it isn't necessary or near useful, why not raise the price? Just because they cost a penny in reality doesn't mean one has to charge that if people will pay more.

And there is no reason why people can't make their own. It is much cheaper. If one has free will, then one can't complain.
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#42
(10-18-2010, 12:54 PM)Herr_Mannelig Wrote:
(10-18-2010, 12:47 PM)Bakuryokuso Wrote:
(10-18-2010, 02:30 AM)Scipio_a Wrote: And there shouldn't be ANY tax on it...so what does that tell you...

Cig price is mostly .gov theft....more .govs working to enslave you....vote for slavery...vote .gov today

Taxes on vices make sense though - it's an easy revenue grab for governments. It also helps reflect the true cost of smoking to society.

It also makes sense financially to get all one can from addicts. I mean, if people will pay for it and it isn't necessary or near useful, why not raise the price? Just because they cost a penny in reality doesn't mean one has to charge that if people will pay more.

And there is no reason why people can't make their own. It is much cheaper. If one has free will, then one can't complain.

Anyone who complains about the price of cigarettes needs to learn to enjoy a pipe.  :pipe:
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#43
(10-18-2010, 01:15 PM)3Sanctus Wrote: Anyone who complains about the price of cigarettes needs to learn to enjoy a pipe.   :pipe:

I grew up associating pipes with my grandfather.

Now, I associate it with the way it killed him.
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#44
(10-18-2010, 12:54 PM)Herr_Mannelig Wrote:
(10-18-2010, 12:47 PM)Bakuryokuso Wrote:
(10-18-2010, 02:30 AM)Scipio_a Wrote: And there shouldn't be ANY tax on it...so what does that tell you...

Cig price is mostly .gov theft....more .govs working to enslave you....vote for slavery...vote .gov today

Taxes on vices make sense though - it's an easy revenue grab for governments. It also helps reflect the true cost of smoking to society.

It also makes sense financially to get all one can from addicts. I mean, if people will pay for it and it isn't necessary or near useful, why not raise the price? Just because they cost a penny in reality doesn't mean one has to charge that if people will pay more.

And there is no reason why people can't make their own. It is much cheaper. If one has free will, then one can't complain.

It also makes sense to bring some good out of someone else's bad habit.
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#45
(10-18-2010, 12:47 PM)Bakuryokuso Wrote:
(10-18-2010, 02:30 AM)Scipio_a Wrote: And there shouldn't be ANY tax on it...so what does that tell you...

Cig price is mostly .gov theft....more .govs working to enslave you....vote for slavery...vote .gov today

Taxes on vices make sense though - it's an easy revenue grab for governments. It also helps reflect the true cost of smoking to society.

No...it is just another attempt to control you...who says smoking is a vice?...pretty arbitrary don't you think?...sounds like prot thinking...the same crap that got us Prohibition "drinking is a vice" (No it isn't)...and the "cost" would not exist if the .gov did not also attempt to control medical care...see...it ALWAYS boils down to folks saying..."but medicare will cost too much....gov health expenses will be too high...the smokers need to pay for it."

Well, they get one part right, the smokers need to pay for their medical care....but so does everyone else... .gov needs to be ripped out of the medical industry.....social programs need to be dismantled... this is what the immigration issue always comes down to as well...."They are a drain on our resources."  Which ALWAYS means...they will over load the social programs and there won't be enough for us..."

There should not be ANY in the first place...no social programs by .gov....no problem



And yes, private employers should be able to hire whomever they choose...no matter what the basis....sex, sexual orientation, race, creed, religion...smoking status...etc....

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#46
(10-18-2010, 04:27 AM)dark lancer Wrote:
(10-18-2010, 04:10 AM)Scipio_a Wrote: You can smoke and do many things...there's not much of a time savings....better to suggest not posting on internet forums...that saves time and forces you to do something real...even if it's just a relaxing smoke.

You misunderstand, of course.  It's a waste of time trying to get the state governments to repeal such taxes, so just stop smoking and deny them your contribution.

There is almost no way to derive this from our conversation....and actually...if .gov does not want you to do something...seems like there could be a good case made that that is the time to do it in protest, if you know what I mean.
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#47
Taxing smokers is political, it has nothing whatsoever to do with health. Second hand smoke as a cause of disease is anecdotal at best. I dare anyone to devise a double blind experiment to prove second hand smoke causes disease. Here in Chicago it's $9.00 per pack and it's the poor and the lower middle class that smoke, not the better off.

It has become common misconception that smokers cut two years off their life expectancy. I also know that we no longer submit studies for peer review, that are politically expedient.. So I say show me the study which indicated this is so and has been peer reviewed. There isn't one.

There are other "lifestyles" which reduce life expectancy much more yet they are never mentioned. Being a male active homosexual cuts 24 years off of his life. This was published in a Swedish study on Homosexual diseases and morbidity and published on the net, and had been peer reviewed. I can't find it anymore.

If I'm a bad guy for smoking and I am taxed 7.50 per pack for supposedly cutting two years off my arithmetic average life expectancy, how much should we tax active homosexuals that cut twenty four years of the arithmetic average of their life expectancy ? I don't suggest we do this at all. I'm pointing out this tax is political, not having anything to do with health. No one would tax gay men in this day and age, but an old guy like me well for sure.
tim 
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#48
I'd love to see a hefty government tax levied on pornography.  Pornography drastically reduces the life expectancy of the performers involved.
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#49
(10-19-2010, 06:35 PM)miss_fluffy Wrote: I'd love to see a hefty government tax levied on pornography.  Pornography drastically reduces the life expectancy of the performers involved.

Tax on buying it, watching it or making it?
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#50
Oh heck Herr, why not all three.
tim
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