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Technically they are generally heretics because they deny certain dogmas relating to the primacy. I say generally, because not all have done so throughout history. Anti-primacy prejudice has probably wiped it out now, but there have been strains of a kind of sede-privationism among them. These individuals claimed that the Pope lost his authority through holding the "heretical" Filioque but when he returns to the orthodox faith, they will accept his jurisdiciton, etc. Here is a quote from a 15th century saint (sic) of theirs, St. Symeon of Thessalonica:

“One should not contradict the Latins when they say that the Bishop of Rome is the first. This primacy is not harmful to the Church. Let them only prove his faithfulness to the faith of Peter and to that of the successors of Peter. If this is so, let him enjoy all the privileges of pontiff...Let the Bishop of Rome be successor of the orthodoxy of Sylvester and Agatho, of Leo, Liberius, Martin and Gregory, then we also will call him Apostolic and the first among the other bishops; then we also will obey him, not only as Peter, but as the Saviour Himself" (Meyendorff, J., ed., the Primacy of Peter, 1992, SVSP: Crestwood, p. 86).

(As an aside, it's interesting that Liberius is included in that list.)

I say technically above because generally denial of the authority of the Pope, while technically heretical, has traditionally been called and treated as schism for all practical purposes.

Furthermore, on other issues it is often them unjustly calling us heretical, rather than them actually holding a heresy. For example, their belief concerning the procession of the Holy Spirit is orthodox, but they accuse us of a heretical meaning of the Filioque which we do not hold and which we have in fact solemnly condemned (ie a double spiration). Even with things like Original Sin or Indulgences, etc. they often believe in these things in a rudimentary way, but have not taken the logical steps that were taken in the West to develop and define these things with clarity--now they claim to reject them often simply out of anti-western prejudice.

Anyway, it varies from autocephalous church to church and from person to person on a lot of these issues. Since they have no universally authoritative declarations on most of these issues it's hard to make a blanket judgment. In fact, on the other hand, they actually do have post-schism pan-Orthodox Councils which declare explicit beliefs on original sin, indulgences, final purgation, etc. which are in conformity with Catholic doctrine (although many of these things have been ignored since their anti-Latin purging known as their "Exodus from Western Captivity" carried out in the later 19th and early 20th century by some of their monks and clergy).
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Eastern Orthodoxy - by Resurrexi - 10-17-2010, 06:17 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Azurestone - 10-17-2010, 06:21 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Resurrexi - 10-17-2010, 06:27 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Vetus Ordo - 10-17-2010, 06:28 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Resurrexi - 10-17-2010, 06:43 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by spasiisochrani - 10-17-2010, 07:50 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Resurrexi - 10-17-2010, 09:53 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by SaintSebastian - 10-17-2010, 10:27 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Resurrexi - 10-17-2010, 11:19 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by moneil - 10-18-2010, 01:11 AM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Resurrexi - 10-18-2010, 01:46 AM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by moneil - 10-18-2010, 02:27 AM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by SaintSebastian - 10-18-2010, 09:49 AM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Resurrexi - 10-18-2010, 07:31 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Resurrexi - 10-18-2010, 07:44 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Robert De Brus - 10-18-2010, 08:16 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by kevinchaapel - 11-08-2010, 06:27 AM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Mixolydian - 11-17-2010, 12:54 AM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Azurestone - 11-17-2010, 03:39 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Vetus Ordo - 11-17-2010, 04:12 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Azurestone - 11-17-2010, 04:21 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by 3Sanctus - 11-17-2010, 04:45 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Vetus Ordo - 11-17-2010, 07:50 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Azurestone - 11-17-2010, 08:44 PM



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