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(10-17-2010, 09:53 PM)Resurrexi Wrote:
(10-17-2010, 07:50 PM)spasiisochrani Wrote: The Church prefers to regard the Eastern Orthodox churches as real churches that are in a state of impaired communion with Rome.  When a member of one of these churches joins a Catholic parish, he (or she) is received by a profession of faith alone, without any abjuration of heresy or general confession.  If the Church does not consider them to be heretics, neither should you. 

Like many others on this forum, I do not see the Novus Ordo as a very good indicator of the mind of the Church. Thus, what goes on in Novus Ordo parishes has very little impact on my thoughts concerning the matter.

When spasiisochrani spoke of The Church, I’m presuming he wasn’t referring to Novus Ordo parishes.  In fact, parishes are not where these things are decided, whether Novus Ordo or traditional, whether pre or post VII.  These questions, definitions, and decisions are reserved to the Magisterium, the teaching authority of the Church embodied in the Supreme Pontiff and the bishops, as successors to the Apostles, for it was to these that Our Lord said: ” whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and whatsoever you shall loose upon earth, shall be loosed also in heaven” (St. Matthew 18:18).

We have had, shall we say, spirited discussions of the Orthodox here before, but I am not aware of any pre Vatican II popes reefing to them as heretics.  They always speak of them in a very special way it seems, showing paternal solicitude not found in their discourse on other religions.

As one example, in Rerum Orientalium (promulgated on September 8, 1928), His Holiness Pope Pius XI speaks of the Vatican’s Institute of Oriental Studies, which was “ open not only to the Orientals (among whom are included those also who are separated from Catholic Unity), but also to the Latin priests….  I doubt the Holy Father would be inviting heretics to study at the Vatican.

Toward the end of this encyclical Pius XI writes of the Orthodox: ” … among those nations a very great part of Revelation has been religiously preserved, sincere service is rendered to Christ Our Lord, great piety and love are shown towards His sinless Mother, and devout use made of the Sacraments… after the removal of all obstacles, under the auspices of the Immaculate Virgin Mother of God, and of the Holy Fathers and Doctors of East and West, We may receive into the House of the Father [b]those brethren and sons of Ours, so long separated from Us[b/], but once more united in bonds of a charity based upon the solid foundation of truth and the full profession of the Christian religion.”

Again, I have not read of the pre VII pontiffs referring to heretics as those brethren and sons of Ours (some decidedly stronger language is often used).  Nor has The Church, to my knowledge, spoken of heretics rendering sincere service to Christ Our Lord, showing great piety and love towards His sinless Mother, or making devout use of the Sacraments.
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Eastern Orthodoxy - by Resurrexi - 10-17-2010, 06:17 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Azurestone - 10-17-2010, 06:21 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Resurrexi - 10-17-2010, 06:27 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Vetus Ordo - 10-17-2010, 06:28 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Resurrexi - 10-17-2010, 06:43 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by spasiisochrani - 10-17-2010, 07:50 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Resurrexi - 10-17-2010, 09:53 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by SaintSebastian - 10-17-2010, 10:27 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Resurrexi - 10-17-2010, 11:19 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by moneil - 10-18-2010, 01:11 AM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Resurrexi - 10-18-2010, 01:46 AM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by moneil - 10-18-2010, 02:27 AM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by SaintSebastian - 10-18-2010, 09:49 AM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Resurrexi - 10-18-2010, 07:31 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Resurrexi - 10-18-2010, 07:44 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Robert De Brus - 10-18-2010, 08:16 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by kevinchaapel - 11-08-2010, 06:27 AM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Mixolydian - 11-17-2010, 12:54 AM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Azurestone - 11-17-2010, 03:39 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Vetus Ordo - 11-17-2010, 04:12 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Azurestone - 11-17-2010, 04:21 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by 3Sanctus - 11-17-2010, 04:45 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Vetus Ordo - 11-17-2010, 07:50 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Azurestone - 11-17-2010, 08:44 PM



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