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(10-18-2010, 02:27 AM)moneil Wrote: Hmmm, well, that’s your opinion.  I’ll stick with what the Magisterium, especially the disciplines of the pre VII Magisterium, has determined as appropriate , as fallible as that may turn out to be, over the opinions of random laity.  Also, there is a whole body of Church teaching regarding a faithful Catholic’s allegiance to the rightful authority of The Church, whether the particular circumstance involves “dogma defining infallibility” or mere “disciplinary decisions”.  We are not a “make our own individual interpretations or rules” kind’a Church – if you want that, the First Unitarian is down the street.

According to all the evidence I have seen, converts from Eastern Orthodoxy, in addition to making a profession of faith, were required to make a general confession and be absolved from the censures for heresy. At least this is what Fr. Jone's Moral Theology states was the rule for all converts to the Catholic Church who had previously received an undoubtedly valid baptism. If you could provide some evidence showing that converts from Eastern Orthodoxy were not bound by there general rules, I would like to see it.

(10-18-2010, 02:27 AM)moneil Wrote: Ummm, again, your personal opinion and interpretation of how the Church defines the criteria of heresy.  It does matter though, what the Vicar of Christ “labels” ~ that is the role Our Lord has given him (not you, me, or any other mortal).  Interestingly, it would have been this “disciplinary as opposed to dogma defining Magisterium” that established the criteria for heresy in the first place.  I’ll leave it to them to implement it, as Our Lord intended, thank you very much.

The fact that a pope fails to call a person or group of people 'heretics' explicitly does not mean that they are not heretics. It could have been merely that the pope was seeking good relations with them; as far as I am aware, it's not beneficial for good relations to harp on the fact that the other party is made up of heretics.

(10-18-2010, 02:27 AM)moneil Wrote: Ummm, because the pre VII Pontiffs were more orthodox and faithful to The Church’s tradition is such matters, I would think.  Unless you can provide some documentation (from papal sources, as I have) that Martin Luther, or John Calvin, or their adherents, or Islamic or Jewish scholars, or any other non-Catholic adherents were welcomed to receive doctorates at Vatican Institutes of higher education, I stand by my observation that the Orthodox were held in a particularly special esteem by The Church, not afforded to any other non-Catholic.

In my opinion, pre-Vatican II popes often made errors just as serious as pre-Vatican II popes.

For what it is worth, I, too, hold Eastern Orthodox Christians in special esteem since they are the least heretical of all heretical groups. I am actually friends with a number of Eastern Orthodox Christians. This does not change the fact that they are heretics, simply put. (BTW, I would expect them to think I'm a heretic, too.)
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Eastern Orthodoxy - by Resurrexi - 10-17-2010, 06:17 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Azurestone - 10-17-2010, 06:21 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Resurrexi - 10-17-2010, 06:27 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Vetus Ordo - 10-17-2010, 06:28 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Resurrexi - 10-17-2010, 06:43 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by spasiisochrani - 10-17-2010, 07:50 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Resurrexi - 10-17-2010, 09:53 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by SaintSebastian - 10-17-2010, 10:27 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Resurrexi - 10-17-2010, 11:19 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by moneil - 10-18-2010, 01:11 AM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Resurrexi - 10-18-2010, 01:46 AM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by moneil - 10-18-2010, 02:27 AM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by SaintSebastian - 10-18-2010, 09:49 AM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Resurrexi - 10-18-2010, 07:31 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Resurrexi - 10-18-2010, 07:44 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Robert De Brus - 10-18-2010, 08:16 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by kevinchaapel - 11-08-2010, 06:27 AM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Mixolydian - 11-17-2010, 12:54 AM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Azurestone - 11-17-2010, 03:39 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Vetus Ordo - 11-17-2010, 04:12 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Azurestone - 11-17-2010, 04:21 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by 3Sanctus - 11-17-2010, 04:45 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Vetus Ordo - 11-17-2010, 07:50 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Azurestone - 11-17-2010, 08:44 PM



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