Fulton Sheen on Novus Ordo, SSPX?
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(10-22-2010, 04:01 PM)Gerard Wrote: People have to remember that Bishop Sheen was 70 years old at the close of the Council.  Prior to that, he was the model of what Vatican II could have been, had the modernists not done their work so well.  Sheen wound up preaching the basics in his final years during the worst of the collapse.  And he was going from school to school. 

I often wonder how God places his soldiers to do what He needs them to do for His plans.  I've often found Sheen and LeFebvre interestingly positioned.  It's a shame that I believe Sheen did not understand where LeFebvre (10 years younger than he was driving at.)  LeFebvre had been protected and preserved in his faith for 30 years in Africa.  Sheen was in the center of the storm as it developed and happened. And I believe the false image of the Church was too close to Sheen's orthodox image of what the Church was for Sheen to notice the modernism until he'd witnessed the obvious loss of faith among the people. 

Sheen's latter day lectures are expressive of  a  incredible rage he felt at the fragmentation of the faith.  In the 1950's and prior he never would explode in indignation in the way he did in his late 70's and early 80's.   

Sheen was a great man who fought great battles and took great injury when he was caught by suprise in the post Vatican II onslought.  But his legacy is good and he's still a good bridge that can be used to teach the faith and bring people in. 

I can't imagine a 20th century Church without both Sheen and LeFebvre.  Sheen's example  can bring people in, LeFebvre's  can make people stay and hold on in the crisis. 

Very good points, thank you.
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#12
(10-22-2010, 04:01 PM)Gerard Wrote: Sheen's example  can bring people in, LeFebvre's  can make people stay and hold on in the crisis. 

Well said.
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(10-22-2010, 04:01 PM)Gerard Wrote: Sheen's latter day lectures are expressive of  a  incredible rage he felt at the fragmentation of the faith.  In the 1950's and prior he never would explode in indignation in the way he did in his late 70's and early 80's.   

If you know of any of these available on Youtube, please point us to them.
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(10-22-2010, 04:04 PM)crusaderfortruth3372 Wrote: Well you do hear a lot of SSPX and FSSP priests quote Sheen in his speech and writings, especially pre 1962, so I'm guessing they give him a pass during his later years of liberalism1967-1977.
I know Traditonal Catholic Radio use to include his Catholic Hour programs from time to time, but for some reason I think they took them off.

And a local SSPX church provided his Stations of the Cross meditations during last Lent.
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(10-22-2010, 06:09 PM)Jitpring Wrote:
(10-22-2010, 04:01 PM)Gerard Wrote: Sheen's latter day lectures are expressive of  a  incredible rage he felt at the fragmentation of the faith.  In the 1950's and prior he never would explode in indignation in the way he did in his late 70's and early 80's.   

If you know of any of these available on Youtube, please point us to them.

I'd have to track them down.  I remember one on women's ordination that made him absolutely blow up in his explanation.  He used to also thank nuns for showing up as "recognizable nuns."    Most of  the lecture and sermons I got from  www.keeepthefaith.org
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#16
(10-23-2010, 12:38 AM)Gerard Wrote:
(10-22-2010, 06:09 PM)Jitpring Wrote:
(10-22-2010, 04:01 PM)Gerard Wrote: Sheen's latter day lectures are expressive of  a  incredible rage he felt at the fragmentation of the faith.  In the 1950's and prior he never would explode in indignation in the way he did in his late 70's and early 80's.   

If you know of any of these available on Youtube, please point us to them.

I'd have to track them down.  I remember one on women's ordination that made him absolutely blow up in his explanation.

That I'd love to see.
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#17
(10-22-2010, 03:37 PM)Jitpring Wrote:
(10-22-2010, 03:23 PM)SaintRafael Wrote: Archbishop Sheen, an Enthusiast of Vatican II
By Marian T. Horvat, Ph.D

http://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopi..._VatII.htm

Very disappointing. I'd like to see a traditionalist defense of Sheen.

You can spend a lot of time and energy being disappointed with TraditionInaction.
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#18
(10-23-2010, 09:26 AM)WhollyRoaminCatholic Wrote:
(10-22-2010, 03:37 PM)Jitpring Wrote:
(10-22-2010, 03:23 PM)SaintRafael Wrote: Archbishop Sheen, an Enthusiast of Vatican II
By Marian T. Horvat, Ph.D

http://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopi..._VatII.htm

Very disappointing. I'd like to see a traditionalist defense of Sheen.

You can spend a lot of time and energy being disappointed with TraditionInaction.

agree. that site seems to be filled with little more than sensationalist junk blown up about 50 times
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#19
(10-23-2010, 09:47 AM)karyn_anne Wrote:
(10-23-2010, 09:26 AM)WhollyRoaminCatholic Wrote:
(10-22-2010, 03:37 PM)Jitpring Wrote:
(10-22-2010, 03:23 PM)SaintRafael Wrote: Archbishop Sheen, an Enthusiast of Vatican II
By Marian T. Horvat, Ph.D

http://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopi..._VatII.htm

Very disappointing. I'd like to see a traditionalist defense of Sheen.

You can spend a lot of time and energy being disappointed with TraditionInaction.

agree. that site seems to be filled with little more than sensationalist junk blown up about 50 times


Not only that, but that site seems to be run by a Sedevacantist or the Sedeprivationism thought.. I don't subscribe to it!!
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#20
(10-22-2010, 04:01 PM)Gerard Wrote: People have to remember that Bishop Sheen was 70 years old at the close of the Council.  Prior to that, he was the model of what Vatican II could have been, had the modernists not done their work so well.  Sheen wound up preaching the basics in his final years during the worst of the collapse.  And he was going from school to school. 

I often wonder how God places his soldiers to do what He needs them to do for His plans.  I've often found Sheen and LeFebvre interestingly positioned.  It's a shame that I believe Sheen did not understand where LeFebvre (10 years younger than he was driving at.)  LeFebvre had been protected and preserved in his faith for 30 years in Africa.  Sheen was in the center of the storm as it developed and happened. And I believe the false image of the Church was too close to Sheen's orthodox image of what the Church was for Sheen to notice the modernism until he'd witnessed the obvious loss of faith among the people. 

Sheen's latter day lectures are expressive of  a  incredible rage he felt at the fragmentation of the faith.  In the 1950's and prior he never would explode in indignation in the way he did in his late 70's and early 80's.   

Sheen was a great man who fought great battles and took great injury when he was caught by suprise in the post Vatican II onslought.  But his legacy is good and he's still a good bridge that can be used to teach the faith and bring people in. 

I can't imagine a 20th century Church without both Sheen and LeFebvre.  Sheen's example  can bring people in, LeFebvre's  can make people stay and hold on in the crisis. 

I was always troubled by his sanguine view of Vatican II, and just shrugged my shoulders and chalked it up to bad judgment.  So much else he did was so positive, and he was always and everywhere an enemy of them...

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