Has anyone done a study of Paul VI and JPII?
(11-03-2010, 08:07 PM)Petertherock Wrote: That's kind of the same argument Obama is making blaming Bush for the economy. While it's true Paul VI opened the door for JPII to do everything he did, if JPII was a true Saint he could have reversed everything that Paul VI did. Just like if Obama cut spending and cut taxes he could have reversed the Bush recession instead of making it worse.

That would be true if JPII had taken a somewhat bad problem and turned it into a catastrophe.  In 1978, we were already in a catastrophe.  I actually think overall the condition of the Church (at least in the United States) improved somewhat during JPII's reign.  He ordered the apostolic visitation that cleaned up many of the US seminaries and appointed bishops that, while still fairly weak in condemning abuses, were overall better than the bishops that were in place when he assumed the Papacy.  You'd be hard-pressed to argue that the condition of the College of Cardinals and the worldwide episcopate was any worse in 2005 than in 1978.

This isn't to suggest that JPII did a good job overall as Pope, just that he did a "less bad" job than Paul VI.  Certainly it's hard to imagine Paul VI releasing Quattuor Abhinc Annos or Ecclesia Dei Adflicta, or being as vocal in his pro-life and anti-Communist stances.  People also need to remember that in Poland after the Council there wasn't the turmoil and clownery that pervaded much of the Western world.  Solidarity against Communism kept the Church going pretty well, even in the face of the Novus Ordo and Vatican II.  This experience likely clouded JPII's judgment and made him believe that the problems following the Council were simply a matter of implementation. 

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Re: Has anyone done a study of Paul VI and JPII? - by LatinGuy - 11-03-2010, 09:18 PM

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