Pope is going to Monaco but why?
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(12-03-2010, 09:24 PM)Cetil Wrote:
(12-03-2010, 08:17 PM)A Catholic Thinker Wrote:
(12-03-2010, 07:23 PM)Magdalene Wrote: To counter all the sarcastic remarks and unkind words directed at our Holy Father, the Vicar of Christ on earth...

maybe he was invited.  And there are Catholics there and those who need to see him. And the trip is a short one, not one of the big productions as was just done in the UK this fall.  It would not be too tiring as there are bigger journeys coming up.

Just for the record I hope it was clear *I* meant no disrespect whatsoever to the holy father with my light-hearted comments.

I don't think any of us did and that's obvious. The pope has been hammered a lot more in some other threads around here.

C.

That was my impression too, but thought for a moment my memory was faulty.
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(12-03-2010, 07:44 PM)moneil Wrote: Per the article cited, he was invited, and it will be the first papal visit there in 479 years (the last was by Pope Clement VII in 1532), so it’s about their turn for a visit.

Monaco is a Catholic confessional state (probable one of the few remaining) where over 90% of the population is baptized.  Despite this, in 2009 Monaco legalized abortion in certain cases http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2009/apr/09040810, so a papal visit to support the Church in Her mission there seems warranted.

Well, it does have five whole parishes and a cathedral. In contrast, Dubuque Iowa has eleven parishes. But if Dubuque invited the pope they would be on the wait list much longer, methinks. Assuming a papal mass at Monaco's football stadium (which seats 18,500) 40% of the population would still not be able to attend.



C.
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#24
Well, since it seems necessary to explain my little vignettes, I will ! I was making him a continental alter ego. These were the types one aspired to before the Beatles. Probably caused by the many of us being second generation Americans wanting to go back where we belonged in style. So I transferred my idealization of a continental european on him and Voila Pope James Bond 001.
ciao, tutti
tim
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#25
I got it Tim. Those of us who are over 30 :) can remember those things.  I'm thinking of "Casino Royale" though I don't think it was actually filmed in Monaco.

C.
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(12-03-2010, 10:16 PM)Cetil Wrote: Well, it does have five whole parishes and a cathedral. In contrast, Dubuque Iowa has eleven parishes. But if Dubuque invited the pope they would be on the wait list much longer, methinks. Assuming a papal mass at Monaco's football stadium (which seats 18,500) 40% of the population would still not be able to attend.

C.

You are probable right about Dubuque having to wait.  I would suppose though, after Dubuque has been a Catholic Confessional State for over 500 years, their turn would come also.  ;D

So, if we are taking the queue approach, perhaps Monaco’s turn has now come.

Besides the invitation (and the It is their turn theory), I would suppose (merely guesses on my part):
1. Archbishop Bernard César Augustin Barsi of Monaco is perhaps a friend of the Pope, or a friend of a friend of the Pope, and the request was granted out of a sense of sacerdotal or episcopal fraternity.
2. It’s warmer in Monaco during the time of the visit (though dates aren’t given).  Early 2011 would not be a time to visit Dubuque, IMHO.  The middle of summer probable wouldn’t be pleasant either.
3. The Pope wants to visit a venue of scenic and historic prominence (I would think that excludes Dubuque ~ no offense to Dubuqueans).
4. More importantly, IMHO, Monaco is one of the few remaining Catholic confessional states left in Europe (though from what I’ve read, Prince Albert hasn’t necessarily set the best example of a good Catholic Monarch).  Their parliament recently allowed abortion.  A papal visit may be an opportunity to rally the true faithful and a mission to hold the line against European secularization.
5. It is an easy trip to make: 422.6 miles from Rome to Monte Carlo, and it is drivable, as opposed to 4,909 miles from Rome to Dubuque, and it is not drivable.

Whatever the reason, I certainly don’t begrudge the good people of Monaco the grace of a Papal visit.  I pray the good people of Dubuque experience that grace in due time.
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A nice effort Moneil but, I dunno. As far as the bishop goes, here's a photo of one of his liturgies:


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Friend of the pope?  Doesn't look like it. Good friend to parrots and Vegas types? Maybe.
"At the 32nd International Circus Festival in Monte Carlo, Monaco, Archbishop Bernard Barsi and the Bishops of Monaco enter the ring to celebrate Mass among clowns and circus acts. This event was part of the Week for Christian Unity - 2008."
http://www.traditioninaction.org/Revolut...oMass.html


Monaco has only been an archdiocese since 1981. And it was only then that the Prince of Monaco agreed to let the Holy See pick the local clergy. Before that it was a royal prerogative.

C.
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(12-04-2010, 04:36 PM)Cetil Wrote: [Image: 261_MonacoMass06.jpg]

That makes me want to puke.
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Quote: Monaco has only been an archdiocese since 1981. And it was only then that the Prince of Monaco agreed to let the Holy See pick the local clergy. Before that it was a royal prerogative.

That would explain a lot about the clergy there.
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