Old Earth
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(01-24-2011, 01:16 AM)James02 Wrote: If you are trying to convert someone, and belief in a young earth is a major sticking point, and if this is NOT REQUIRED, then it matters.


Ah--I see, so you're asking whether or not the belief in a young earth is required, then?  Of course, I'm sure you know that a convert must be made aware of and firmly believe in the Holy Trinity, the Incarnation, and the Resurrection, and not reject any of the dogmas of the Church or infallible truths, and must subject himself to the Pontiff in order to be received in the Church.  As far as I am aware, the Church has not infallibly stated that one must believe the Earth is a certain age; the quote mentioned before in Denzinger 2121 from the Biblical Commission in 1909 refers to the "foundation" of contrary beliefs as being not solid ("In the negative"), and does not directly pertain to a definitive judgment on whether other estimates are correct or incorrect. 

I think the bigger sticking point in the situation you describe would perhaps be the person's antagonism towards correction: if a person firmly holds any belief that is not Divinely revealed as being equal in certitude as those truths which are Divinely revealed, then he is subject to error, as we only know Divinely revealed facts to be "absolute facts" at all.  I would say that the belief in a young Earth is NOT required for conversion.  If I am wrong on this, I will change my position, but I am not aware of any sacred truths regarding this.  I know there are many traditionalists who contend that geocentricism was infallibly defined and hold it as de fide, but this is not the position of the Church today as far as I can tell, and I do not think that heliocentrism is a heresy, as they do.
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Old Earth - by James02 - 12-30-2010, 12:22 AM
Re: Old Earth - by dymphna17 - 12-30-2010, 12:43 AM
Re: Old Earth - by James02 - 12-30-2010, 01:06 AM
Re: Old Earth - by Texican - 12-30-2010, 01:12 AM
Re: Old Earth - by miss_fluffy - 12-30-2010, 01:15 AM
Re: Old Earth - by James02 - 12-30-2010, 02:00 AM
Re: Old Earth - by Vetus Ordo - 12-30-2010, 02:33 AM
Re: Old Earth - by Hawaii Five-0 - 12-30-2010, 04:36 AM
Re: Old Earth - by icecream - 12-30-2010, 06:49 AM
Re: Old Earth - by icecream - 12-30-2010, 06:50 AM
Re: Old Earth - by Nic - 12-30-2010, 07:32 AM
Re: Old Earth - by miss_fluffy - 12-30-2010, 09:09 AM
Re: Old Earth - by Anastasia - 12-30-2010, 11:48 AM
Re: Old Earth - by timoose - 12-30-2010, 12:32 PM
Re: Old Earth - by Grasshopper - 12-30-2010, 04:13 PM
Re: Old Earth - by James02 - 12-30-2010, 04:15 PM
Re: Old Earth - by James02 - 12-30-2010, 04:20 PM
Re: Old Earth - by miss_fluffy - 12-30-2010, 04:52 PM
Re: Old Earth - by Nic - 12-31-2010, 07:58 AM
Re: Old Earth - by salus - 01-01-2011, 02:04 PM
Re: Old Earth - by justlurking - 01-01-2011, 05:33 PM
Re: Old Earth - by Vetus Ordo - 01-01-2011, 06:05 PM
Re: Old Earth - by Nic - 01-01-2011, 06:15 PM
Re: Old Earth - by LaramieHirsch - 01-01-2011, 06:30 PM
Re: Old Earth - by miss_fluffy - 01-01-2011, 06:36 PM
Re: Old Earth - by Christus Imperat - 01-01-2011, 07:50 PM
Re: Old Earth - by timoose - 01-01-2011, 08:01 PM
Re: Old Earth - by InNomineDomini - 01-01-2011, 08:37 PM
Re: Old Earth - by Nic - 01-02-2011, 07:52 AM
Re: Old Earth - by timoose - 01-02-2011, 08:54 AM
Re: Old Earth - by Nic - 01-02-2011, 10:00 AM
Re: Old Earth - by devotedknuckles - 01-02-2011, 10:28 AM
Re: Old Earth - by Nic - 01-02-2011, 10:38 AM
Re: Old Earth - by devotedknuckles - 01-02-2011, 11:25 AM
Re: Old Earth - by SouthpawLink - 01-06-2011, 02:51 PM
Re: Old Earth - by CrusaderKing - 01-06-2011, 03:16 PM
Re: Old Earth - by timoose - 01-06-2011, 03:58 PM
Re: Old Earth - by someguy - 01-23-2011, 10:57 PM
Re: Old Earth - by quotidianum - 01-24-2011, 12:55 AM
Re: Old Earth - by James02 - 01-24-2011, 01:16 AM
Re: Old Earth - by miss_fluffy - 01-24-2011, 01:39 AM
Re: Old Earth - by quotidianum - 01-24-2011, 01:44 AM
Re: Old Earth - by James02 - 01-24-2011, 01:51 AM
Re: Old Earth - by quotidianum - 01-24-2011, 01:59 AM
Re: Old Earth - by faith3faith - 01-24-2011, 04:27 PM
Re: Old Earth - by Atomagenesis - 01-24-2011, 04:52 PM
Re: Old Earth - by Jesse - 01-24-2011, 05:24 PM
Re: Old Earth - by James02 - 01-24-2011, 05:51 PM
Re: Old Earth - by faith3faith - 01-25-2011, 12:25 AM
Re: Old Earth - by Jesse - 01-25-2011, 11:33 AM
Re: Old Earth - by James02 - 01-25-2011, 04:24 PM
Re: Old Earth - by Jesse - 01-25-2011, 04:42 PM
Re: Old Earth - by James02 - 01-25-2011, 05:06 PM
Re: Old Earth - by Jesse - 01-25-2011, 05:34 PM
Re: Old Earth - by James02 - 01-25-2011, 09:27 PM
Re: Old Earth - by cgraye - 01-26-2011, 12:17 PM
Re: Old Earth - by someguy - 02-01-2011, 11:13 PM
Re: Old Earth - by faith3faith - 02-02-2011, 02:05 AM
Re: Old Earth - by geogeer - 02-02-2011, 07:11 PM
Re: Old Earth - by James02 - 02-02-2011, 11:39 PM
Re: Old Earth - by cgraye - 02-03-2011, 12:14 AM
Re: Old Earth - by faith3faith - 02-04-2011, 12:25 AM
Re: Old Earth - by Jesse - 02-05-2011, 12:50 PM
Re: Old Earth - by faith3faith - 02-05-2011, 10:51 PM



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