Old Earth
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(02-02-2011, 11:39 PM)James02 Wrote: Hmmm.   It says the clocks ran FASTER, so they had to slow them down.  But Einstein says time SLOWS DOWN when you go fast.

It doesn't have anything to do with going faster (that's Special Relativity).  Clocks closer to a gravity well run slower (that's General Relativity).  So if the clocks are farther away from the gravity of the earth, they are going to run faster.
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(02-03-2011, 12:14 AM)cgraye Wrote: Clocks closer to a gravity well run slower (that's General Relativity).  So if the clocks are farther away from the gravity of the earth, they are going to run faster.

Exactly !!! So maybe the Church wasn't wrong when it once taught that God created the Earth to be at the very center of the Universe. If this is the case, then Earth would be at the lowest point of the Gravity Well since the fabric of space at the center of the Universe isn't as stretched out, but if one travels further away from the center, then the fabric of space expands. Space and Time are proportional to each other, therefore space expansion causes time expansion.  Earth and our Galaxy could be just a few thousand years old, while galaxies farther away could be millions of yrs old, and galaxies even further than that could be billions of years old etc. etc....

So you see, Earth could very well be only about 6,000 years old, while Galaxies far away could be Billions of years old and yet Earth and those galaxies were all created at the same time. I know it boggles the mind, but this theory doesn't contradict the theory of Relativity. Instead, this theory uses Einstein's theory of Relativity to give support  to it.
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(02-04-2011, 12:25 AM)faith3faith Wrote:
(02-03-2011, 12:14 AM)cgraye Wrote: Clocks closer to a gravity well run slower (that's General Relativity).  So if the clocks are farther away from the gravity of the earth, they are going to run faster.

Exactly !!! So maybe the Church wasn't wrong when it once taught that God created the Earth to be at the very center of the Universe. If this is the case, then Earth would be at the lowest point of the Gravity Well since the fabric of space at the center of the Universe isn't as stretched out, but if one travels further away from the center, then the fabric of space expands. Space and Time are proportional to each other, therefore space expansion causes time expansion.  Earth and our Galaxy could be just a few thousand years old, while galaxies farther away could be millions of yrs old, and galaxies even further than that could be billions of years old etc. etc....

So you see, Earth could very well be only about 6,000 years old, while Galaxies far away could be Billions of years old and yet Earth and those galaxies were all created at the same time. I know it boggles the mind, but this theory doesn't contradict the theory of Relativity. Instead, this theory uses Einstein's theory of Relativity to give support  to it.

The problem, of course, is that if the earth is the center of the universe because it is the lowest point of the gravity well, then the earth would have to be the strongest gravitational source (deepest gravity well) in the universe... in fact, there's one a heck of lot stronger that's right next us -- the sun.
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(02-05-2011, 12:50 PM)Jesse Wrote:
(02-04-2011, 12:25 AM)faith3faith Wrote:
(02-03-2011, 12:14 AM)cgraye Wrote: Clocks closer to a gravity well run slower (that's General Relativity).  So if the clocks are farther away from the gravity of the earth, they are going to run faster.

Exactly !!! So maybe the Church wasn't wrong when it once taught that God created the Earth to be at the very center of the Universe. If this is the case, then Earth would be at the lowest point of the Gravity Well since the fabric of space at the center of the Universe isn't as stretched out, but if one travels further away from the center, then the fabric of space expands. Space and Time are proportional to each other, therefore space expansion causes time expansion.  Earth and our Galaxy could be just a few thousand years old, while galaxies farther away could be millions of yrs old, and galaxies even further than that could be billions of years old etc. etc....

So you see, Earth could very well be only about 6,000 years old, while Galaxies far away could be Billions of years old and yet Earth and those galaxies were all created at the same time. I know it boggles the mind, but this theory doesn't contradict the theory of Relativity. Instead, this theory uses Einstein's theory of Relativity to give support  to it.

The problem, of course, is that if the earth is the center of the universe because it is the lowest point of the gravity well, then the earth would have to be the strongest gravitational source (deepest gravity well) in the universe... in fact, there's one a heck of lot stronger that's right next us -- the sun.

Obviously a Sun and Black Hole has more gravity than Earth, but I wasn't claiming that Earth's Gravity is the cause of the Gravity Well. Instead, I'm saying that Earth, the Milky Way Galaxy and perhaps even nearby Galaxies all sit at the bottom of a "macro" gravity well which has existed at the beginning of the Universe's creation. Whereas a Black Hole and a Star for example causes a "micro" Gravity Well due to its tremendous Gravitational Warping of Space, of which, however, has not always existed, but comes into existence at some later point in time. Plus, a Star and Black Hole only warps the space/time near its immediate location. So you are thinking "Micro gravity wells" of which there are many , whereas I am speaking about a "Macro gravity well" of which there is only one and is much larger in its size and reach, but not necessarily as strong in intensity.

An anology would be water draining into a small sink(Which represents the Black Hole's Micro Gravity Well) compared to the lack of an entire portion of the Sea being affected by the Moon's Gravity and therefore we call that low tide(which represents the Macro Gravity Well)
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