NY bishop approves pro-abortion gov. and his live-in, etc....
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(01-03-2011, 06:42 PM)nsper7 Wrote: :puke:

This
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(01-03-2011, 07:18 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote:
(01-03-2011, 07:14 PM)CollegeCatholic Wrote: And, obligatory note:
This bishop is still "in good standing" with the "Magisterium of the Church," while bishops like Bp. Fellay are outcast and smeared as schismatic.

I cannot stress this enough.

Bp. Hubbard is a "Catholic in the proper sense" unlike Bp. Williamson. The ultimate irony!

I'm wit you Vetus.  I just don't get this!!

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Hubbard has been a beacon of heterodoxy right from the beginning. He has closed 66 churches in his diocese and is proud of the fact.

At a meeting celebrating his "service" some years ago, Hubbard, a native of Troy, NY (also the home of Uncle Sam, incidentally) was feted as, "the number one Trojan." Boy, that can be taken in any number of ways.

October 31, 2013, can't come soon enough. Here's some useful information about him.
http://www.rcf.org/pdfs/AMDG%20Agony%20i...y%2004.pdf 
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(01-03-2011, 09:53 PM)Petertherock Wrote: How can this bishop be anything but a heretic? How can the Pope sit back and do nothing as these heretics are causing grave scandal in the Church?

"In the life of the Church and consequently, in the life of each one of her children, we will have, therefore, a period of a greater liberty, that is to say, of fewer legal obligations and less internal inhibitions.

"Formal discipline will be reduced; all arbitrary intolerance will be abolished together with all absolutism; the positive law will be simplified; the exercise of authority will be tempered; the sense of that Christan liberty, which so greatly interested the first Christian generation when it was free from observance of the Mosaic Law and its complex rituals, will be promoted (Gal. 5:1)." - Pope Paul VI, General Audience Educarsi all'uso schietto e magnanimo della libertà sottratto al dominio delle passioni, 9 July 1969.

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/paul_v...09_it.html

See also: http://www.traditioninaction.org/Progres...iberty.htm

Has this course of action, taken by the predecessor of His Holiness Pope Benedict, been continued up to the present time?
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(01-03-2011, 07:14 PM)CollegeCatholic Wrote: Behold, the New Springtime! 

And, obligatory note:
This bishop is still "in good standing" with the "Magisterium of the Church," while bishops like Bp. Fellay are outcast and smeared as schismatic.

I would like to second that.
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Yes Unun Sint, that shows how ridiculous it is that the 4 SSPX aren't in good standing. I guess good standing means you must undermine several dogmas these days.
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(01-04-2011, 12:53 PM)salus Wrote: Yes Unun Sint, that shows how ridiculous it is that the 4 SSPX aren't in good standing. I guess good standing means you must undermine several dogmas these days.

Either you're a heretic or you're out of the Church!
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I'd be wary from quoting from groups like 'Tradition in Action', which seems to be Traditional Catholicism's version of 'The Onion' or 'The Daily Show'.

In terms of the SSPX, my understanding is that they are not guilty of schism, but of disobedience. My understanding is that the SSPX Bishops were not excommunicated because they held to a Traditional/conservative view of Catholicism, but because they flagrantly disobeyed a direct order of the Pope by ordaining Bishops against His Holiness's command (permission for the ordination of Bishops falls within the Pope's purview).

+Hubbard is a valid and licitly ordained Bishop (the four SSPX Bishops were ordained illicitly, although they were validly ordained), although it appears +Hubbard is doing/saying things that are heterodox (I haven't read the article yet, nor was I at the Mass he presided over, so I am not going to risk calumny by speaking in absolutes). Also, remember that +Williamson has said his share of whacky things (and I don't just mean the Holocaust remark).
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(01-04-2011, 02:48 PM)nsper7 Wrote: +Hubbard is a valid and licitly ordained Bishop (the four SSPX Bishops were ordained illicitly, although they were validly ordained), although it appears +Hubbard is doing/saying things that are heterodox (I haven't read the article yet, nor was I at the Mass he presided over, so I am not going to risk calumny by speaking in absolutes). Also, remember that +Williamson has said his share of whacky things (and I don't just mean the Holocaust remark).

Bp. W has not spoken heterodoxly on the Faith, has he?

The Holocaust and the pornographic-ness of the Sound of Music are not the Catholic Faith.

And what does it matter that Bp. W has kooky opinions on things?  This is a BISHOP, a SUCCESSOR TO THE APOSTLES, committing sacrilege by giving Holy Communion (Our LORD in Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity) to an unrepentant and public SINNER.  This bishop should be excoriated ONE-TENTH as much as Bp. W gets in one week!

Yet, here we are, defending some bishop committing sacrilege - and PRAISING THE UNREPENTANT SINNER TO BOOT.

AND, do you see an ISSUE with this "valid and licitly ordained Bishop" promoting error and sinfulness?  Have you ever seen the SSPX bishops do this (since you decided to bring them in, for God knows what reason)?  Don't you see something wrong when the "valid and licitly ordained Bishops" go about flaunting Church doctrine and law and go about promoting heresy and sinfulness?
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(01-04-2011, 02:55 PM)CollegeCatholic Wrote:
(01-04-2011, 02:48 PM)nsper7 Wrote: +Hubbard is a valid and licitly ordained Bishop (the four SSPX Bishops were ordained illicitly, although they were validly ordained), although it appears +Hubbard is doing/saying things that are heterodox (I haven't read the article yet, nor was I at the Mass he presided over, so I am not going to risk calumny by speaking in absolutes). Also, remember that +Williamson has said his share of whacky things (and I don't just mean the Holocaust remark).

Bp. W has not spoken heterodoxly on the Faith, has he?

The Holocaust and the pornographic-ness of the Sound of Music are not the Catholic Faith.

I never accused +Williamson of speaking heterodoxically on matters of Faith, I was merely pointing out that he has said whacky (not heretical) things in the past. On a personal note, I always find it strange how some Traditionalists love to trot him out when they argue against liberal Catholic nonsense. Wouldn't it be better to use +Fellay and the late +Lefebvre, not +Williamson, in arguments against 'liberal' Catholicism?

Anyway, it is a shame that the Church does not take stronger action against prelate who support offensive things such as abortion and 'gay marriage'.
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