Saintly Bishop Bids His People Goodbye at End of Mass and Dies Shortly After
#31
It would've been cooler if he vanished from his clothes like Obi-Wan Kenobi.
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#32
(01-12-2011, 01:26 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote:
(01-12-2011, 05:49 AM)Cetil Wrote:
(01-11-2011, 10:11 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote:
(01-11-2011, 10:03 PM)Cetil Wrote: It's possible he did know somehow, no one can really say.

C.

Yes, I guess you're right.

It must have been the same kind of "divine insight" that Card. Ratzinger had when he declared that Br. Roger - the Calvinist preacher of the ecumenical community of Taizé - had in fact "attained eternal joy".

I only said it's possible, and I agree with Quis that I would give him the benefit of the doubt. And it's not for you to say really. And it wasn't Cardinal Ratzinger who said that of the man known as Brother Roger of the Taize community. It was Pope Benedict XVI.

Actually, he was still a cardinal at that time.

And I see that you agree with his "divine insight" about the salvation of a Calvinist preacher.

You are wrong on both counts. Brother Roger of Taize community died in August of 2005; Benedict XVI was elected Pope on 19 April 2005. Of course, he could NOT have been a cardinal when he made the remarks. Perhaps this link will help you to refresh your memory :
http://www.zenit.org/article-13718?l=english
I did not say that I agreed or disagreed with what the Pope said.
I think you should get two demerits and lose your "Junior Inquisitor"  merit badge.  :)

C.
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#33
(01-12-2011, 06:57 PM)Cetil Wrote: You are wrong on both counts. Brother Roger of Taize community died in August of 2005; Benedict XVI was elected Pope on 19 April 2005. Of course, he could NOT have been a cardinal when he made the remarks. Perhaps this link will help you to refresh your memory :
http://www.zenit.org/article-13718?l=english

You are right. I stand corrected.

However, the fact that he was Pope at the time makes it even worse. Reading the link you provided has indeed refreshed my memory. The Holy Father is quoted saying: "Frère Schutz is in the hands of eternal goodness, of eternal love; he has attained eternal joy." Either Benedict XVI had a divine insight into the personal salvation of a Calvinist preacher or he believes in salvation outside the Church.

Quote:I did not say that I agreed or disagreed with what the Pope said.
I think you should get two demerits and lose your "Junior Inquisitor"  merit badge.  :)

I possess very few merits of my own, none of which is of inquisitorial nature.
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#34
What ever happened to the great christian hope? If you know your soul is free from mortal sin,  recieved the sacraments, then its pretty darn reasonable to assume that when you die in a state of grace, that you will go to purgatory then heaven.

This saintly bishop knew his soul, he stood at that altar for many years i am sure, and i am sure those words were given to him in his last hour by our lord as a witness.

May he now celebrate the sacrafice at the heavenly altars...
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#35
(01-11-2011, 01:34 PM)WhollyRoaminCatholic Wrote: Fair enough.  And it's good or us to pray for the repose of soul.

But if I make it to 82, I'm going to keep going to confession and just be optimistic about heaven.  Imagine having your last action on earth be to offer Mass!  What a treat.

Could there be any better way in which to leave this life?!  I should think not.  We should all be so lucky to either offer or receive the Holy Eucharist at the very end of our lives.

May God grant him eternal rest.
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#36
(01-12-2011, 02:48 PM)The_Harlequin_King Wrote: It would've been cooler if he vanished from his clothes like Obi-Wan Kenobi.

:laughing:
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#37
(01-12-2011, 02:28 PM)Gerard Wrote: I would hope the Bishop was using it as a figure of speech and secondly I hope he was correct and that he did get to Heaven and without a stop in Purgatory.  I'm less concerned about him than I am about the message given to the faithful. 

One of the major errros of the Novus Ordo establishment is the presumption of salvation for everybody. 

I think it was a missed opportunity to suppress that error and let the faithful know that they had a job to do after he was deceased.  It could really have gotten the ball rolling. 

This.
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#38
(01-11-2011, 09:05 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote: It seems he had the presumption of his own salvation.

Why do you care so much?  ???  The Bishop died, pray for his soul, stop scrutinizing every word he said before his congregation and be happy he lived a life to that age and was able to celebrate Mass at the age. He needs your prayers not your judgement of his last words.
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#39
(01-14-2011, 10:37 AM)adam2626 Wrote:
(01-11-2011, 09:05 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote: It seems he had the presumption of his own salvation.

Why do you care so much?  ???  The Bishop died, pray for his soul, stop scrutinizing every word he said before his congregation and be happy he lived a life to that age and was able to celebrate Mass at the age. He needs your prayers not your judgement of his last words.

Re-read the whole thread so you can understand the meaning of my interventions. Me and Gerard were saying the same thing.
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(01-14-2011, 11:23 AM)Vetus Ordo Wrote:
(01-14-2011, 10:37 AM)adam2626 Wrote:
(01-11-2011, 09:05 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote: It seems he had the presumption of his own salvation.

Why do you care so much?  ???  The Bishop died, pray for his soul, stop scrutinizing every word he said before his congregation and be happy he lived a life to that age and was able to celebrate Mass at the age. He needs your prayers not your judgement of his last words.

Re-read the whole thread so you can understand the meaning of my interventions. Me and Gerard were saying the same thing.

I did read the whole thread and saw nothing but you questioning him at every turn because of what he said at his last Mass. It's no big deal, I just don't know why you would waste so much energy on continually posting more or less the same thing back to back to back. He said his next Mass would be in heaven, and yes that means he doesn't plan on going to hell and good for him. I don't take that the same way as some of these non-denominational folks who still swear, watch porn, gossip, etc......but are "saved" because they are "born-again" regardless of what they do. If he was a good priest and bishop and did the work of Our Lord to the best of his abilities and is looking forward to saying Mass in heaven then I couldn't be happier for him.
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