Saintly Bishop Bids His People Goodbye at End of Mass and Dies Shortly After
#41
(01-14-2011, 11:45 AM)adam2626 Wrote:
(01-14-2011, 11:23 AM)Vetus Ordo Wrote:
(01-14-2011, 10:37 AM)adam2626 Wrote:
(01-11-2011, 09:05 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote: It seems he had the presumption of his own salvation.

Why do you care so much?  ???  The Bishop died, pray for his soul, stop scrutinizing every word he said before his congregation and be happy he lived a life to that age and was able to celebrate Mass at the age. He needs your prayers not your judgement of his last words.

Re-read the whole thread so you can understand the meaning of my interventions. Me and Gerard were saying the same thing.

I did read the whole thread and saw nothing but you questioning him at every turn because of what he said at his last Mass. It's no big deal, I just don't know why you would waste so much energy on continually posting more or less the same thing back to back to back. He said his next Mass would be in heaven, and yes that means he doesn't plan on going to hell and good for him. I don't take that the same way as some of these non-denominational folks who still swear, watch porn, gossip, etc......but are "saved" because they are "born-again" regardless of what they do. If he was a good priest and bishop and did the work of Our Lord to the best of his abilities and is looking forward to saying Mass in heaven then I couldn't be happier for him.

You don't understand why I "would waste so much energy on continually posting more or less the same thing back to back to back" because you're missing the larger context, i.e., the crisis in the Church, the perversion of the Catholic religion. Perhaps Gerard explained it better than I.

(01-12-2011, 02:28 PM)Gerard Wrote: I would hope the Bishop was using it as a figure of speech and secondly I hope he was correct and that he did get to Heaven and without a stop in Purgatory. I'm less concerned about him than I am about the message given to the faithful. 

One of the major errros of the Novus Ordo establishment is the presumption of salvation for everybody. 

I think it was a missed opportunity to suppress that error and let the faithful know that they had a job to do after he was deceased.  It could really have gotten the ball rolling.
Reply
#42
I'm actually more concerned about people's ability to comprehend what they read or are told and how they judge that material.

I repeat:  he wouldn't be the last saintly figure in the history of the Church who was given knowledge of his fate before he died.

The three children of Fatima were told, and reported, to Our Lady that they were all going to heaven, even Francisco.
Reply
#43

(01-11-2011, 09:05 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote: You don't understand why I "would waste so much energy on continually posting more or less the same thing back to back to back" because you're missing the larger context, i.e., the crisis in the Church, the perversion of the Catholic religion. Perhaps Gerard explained it better than I.

(01-12-2011, 02:28 PM)Gerard Wrote: I would hope the Bishop was using it as a figure of speech and secondly I hope he was correct and that he did get to Heaven and without a stop in Purgatory. I'm less concerned about him than I am about the message given to the faithful. 

One of the major errros of the Novus Ordo establishment is the presumption of salvation for everybody. 



I think it was a missed opportunity to suppress that error and let the faithful know that they had a job to do after he was deceased.  It could really have gotten the ball rolling.


Well first I think no one thought he was going to die after that Mass, just by him making that statement shows nothing.....he could have meant he was too old to say another Mass and his next one would be in Heaven (no sure sign to me he was actually saying goodbye for good, knowing he was about to die) so that is why I have no issue with what was said. Now if he had said "This is the last Mass I will be saying because I am going to die in 4 hours and then celebrate Mass later this evening in Heaven" then I would be a little leary if he didnt ask the congregation to pray for him at that point if he knew FOR SURE he was about to pass on.
Also it is hard for me to know A.) What it is like to think everyone is saved (like in the NO) and B.) Not praying for the repose of the soul of those who die and pretending they do not need prayers. I was raised totally different than that, although my wife and her family (NO attendees) are beginning to make me aware of what the belief system really is....aka.....complete salvation if you are Catholic.

Thanks for your time, God Bless.
Reply
#44
(01-14-2011, 01:10 PM)Augstine Baker Wrote: I repeat:  he wouldn't be the last saintly figure in the history of the Church who was given knowledge of his fate before he died.

The three children of Fatima were told, and reported, to Our Lady that they were all going to heaven, even Francisco.

I don't know what's saintly about the life of this Novus Ordo bishop. That's not the point. The point is that, in such an opportune time, he failed to send the right message with the right teaching. He actually reinforced the common error of universal salvation so prevalent today.

Are we to assume that the late bishop had visions like the three children of Fatima? He might as well have shared them with the rest of the universal church so we could benefit from them.
Reply
#45
(01-14-2011, 01:27 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote:
(01-14-2011, 01:10 PM)Augstine Baker Wrote: I repeat:  he wouldn't be the last saintly figure in the history of the Church who was given knowledge of his fate before he died.

The three children of Fatima were told, and reported, to Our Lady that they were all going to heaven, even Francisco.

I don't know what's saintly about the life of this Novus Ordo bishop. That's not the point. The point is that, in such an opportune time, he failed to send the right message with the right teaching. He actually reinforced the common error of universal salvation so prevalent today.

Are we to assume that the late bishop had visions like the three children of Fatima? He might as well have shared them with the rest of the universal church so we could benefit from them.

Just because you think he failed, doesn't mean he failed.  He's been supporting good initiatives throughout his priestly life. 

You're way out of line and making a lot of assumptions about this Bishop's saintliness or lack thereof on the basis of no or little information.
Reply
#46
(01-13-2011, 01:50 PM)Walty Wrote:
(01-12-2011, 02:28 PM)Gerard Wrote: I would hope the Bishop was using it as a figure of speech and secondly I hope he was correct and that he did get to Heaven and without a stop in Purgatory.  I'm less concerned about him than I am about the message given to the faithful. 

One of the major errros of the Novus Ordo establishment is the presumption of salvation for everybody. 

I think it was a missed opportunity to suppress that error and let the faithful know that they had a job to do after he was deceased.  It could really have gotten the ball rolling. 

This.

Second.
Reply




Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)