Beatification of JPII
#11
Quote: I will have to say outlawed because the rule is to speak respectfully.
Noted.
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#12
(01-12-2011, 06:50 PM)James02 Wrote: .  He might be in heaven, that is up to God, but it is very unwise to declare him a Pope

You mean saint.  lol
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#13
Oh sh1t, I almost got banned.  :o

Yep.  Saint.
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#14
(01-12-2011, 06:45 PM)Gilgamesh Wrote: Does beatification imply orthodoxy?

It implies at least no personal culpability regarding heresy.
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#15
Meh. They've been saying he'll be canonized next week for several years now.
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#16
(01-12-2011, 09:09 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote:
(01-12-2011, 06:45 PM)Gilgamesh Wrote: Does beatification imply orthodoxy?

It implies at least no personal culpability regarding heresy.

Thank you.  That's intriguing.
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#17
(01-12-2011, 09:21 PM)Gilgamesh Wrote:
(01-12-2011, 09:09 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote:
(01-12-2011, 06:45 PM)Gilgamesh Wrote: Does beatification imply orthodoxy?

It implies at least no personal culpability regarding heresy.

Thank you.  That's intriguing.

How so?

Having "personal culpability regarding heresy" makes one a formal heretic, i.e., one that has sinned mortally against faith. No sin can enter Heaven.
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#18
(01-12-2011, 09:29 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote:
(01-12-2011, 09:21 PM)Gilgamesh Wrote:
(01-12-2011, 09:09 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote:
(01-12-2011, 06:45 PM)Gilgamesh Wrote: Does beatification imply orthodoxy?

It implies at least no personal culpability regarding heresy.

Thank you.  That's intriguing.

How so?

Such a beatification would, I think, render the sedeprivationist position untenable.  Not that that affects more than a handful of people, but nevertheless.  Baskerville and Mel Gibson would have to rethink things.

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#19
Nope, it would just mean the beatification and Canonization process has been seriously flawed since VII.

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#20
(01-12-2011, 09:43 PM)Petertherock Wrote: Nope, it would just mean the beatification and Canonization process has been seriously flawed since VII.

So the Holy Spirit doesn't influence the process of canonization in any way?  I admit my ignorance.  I need to read up on this.

Catholic Encyclopedia: Beatification and Canonization

Is it only the decision of mortal men that so-and-so is a saint?  I figured partial knowledge of the heavenly roster would be necessarily of heavenly dispensation.
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