Hail Mary, Full of Grace
I found this article on Pewsitter.com today. I am still in shock at what the Bishop Stack seems to have said.


Is it really getting to this?  :(
It's a sad day when you aren't surprised to hear such blasphemy and heretical notions from a Prince of the Church. 
Another Catholic "in the proper sense"?
Indeed in full comunion
th is an outrage!!! 
Coming from an understudy of Cormac Murphy-O'Connor makes perfect sense. He like all of his appointees and followers will never advance in the hierarchy as long as Benedict XVI is Pope. I think he has made that awful clear.
How long will hat be? It's a sad stemeent all round
could someone paste some quotes from article? i'm trying the mobile version of FE and I can't click on the link. Or is it not even worth copy and pasting?
(02-11-2011, 11:34 PM)Bakuryokuso Wrote: could someone paste some quotes from article? i'm trying the mobile version of FE and I can't click on the link. Or is it not even worth copy and pasting?

If you want to be disgusted or simply annoyed, go for it:

Quote:In an address to the general synod of the Church of England, a Catholic bishop said that the “development of a theology which places [the Blessed Virgin Mary] as an intercessor by the side of her Son” is a theological “distortion.”

Auxiliary Bishop George Stack of Westminster said on February 9:

[A]s a Catholic bishop, I welcome the properly “critical” nature of the series of essays by the Faith and Order Group of the Church of England. The neuralgic points of the Catholic doctrines of the Immaculate Conception and Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary are examined in those essays through the eyes of scripture, the Fathers of the Church, the place of Tradition and now the authority of the Magisterium is exercised by the Pope and Bishops.

I realise that these are all loaded words. John Paul’s “fuller study before a true consensus of faith is found” needs to engage critically with the evangelical conviction that the sinlessness of Mary somehow removes her from the need of the whole human race for salvation, makes her somehow “less” of a human being is focused on the text from Romans 3:23 (all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God).

Realised eschatology is the creative tool which explores this seeming conflict when applied to the two Marian doctrines. The status of Tradition in interpreting the scriptures, and whether it diminishes or distorts the primacy of the Word of God is a legitimate evangelical concern. Contrast the conviction of John Henry Newman that “it is not the assertion of an individual Father of the Church that carries weight, but their common testimony by which they witness to an apostolic tradition” with the weight placed in some essays that individual Fathers had dissenting views on the sinlessness, virginity and obedience of Mary.

The doctrines of the Immaculate Conception and Assumption of Mary may sometimes seem to distort or misunderstand the role of Jesus as the unique mediator between God and the human race. An example of such a distortion would be the development of a theology which places her as an intercessor by the side of her Son. [emphasis added]

Bishop Stack’s statement, if taken at face value, appears to call into question the teaching of the Church’s ordinary Magisterium on the Blessed Virgin Mary’s maternal intercession at the side of her Son. Pope Leo XIII, for example, wrote in his 1894 encyclical Iucunda Semper Expectatione that “the recourse we have to Mary in prayer follows upon the office she continuously fills by the side of the throne of God as Mediatrix of Divine grace; being by worthiness and by merit most acceptable to Him, and, therefore, surpassing in power all the angels and saints in Heaven.”

“Glorified at the side of her Son in heaven, Mary has already crossed the threshold between faith and that vision which is ‘face to face,’” Venerable John Paul II taught in his 1987 encyclical Redemptoris Mater. “Mary’s motherhood continues unceasingly in the Church as the mediation which intercedes, and the Church expresses her faith in this truth by invoking Mary under the titles of Advocate, Auxiliatrix, Adjutrix, and Mediatrix.”

Bishop Stack continued:

And the degree to which these dogmas and their teaching on virginity, sinlessness and obedience in the life of Mary have affected an understanding and role of women in the life of the church mentioned in the Faith and Order Group Response need to be explored in the historical context in which the dogmas were proclaimed. A changing understanding of sin and the need for redemption when these truths were under attack from an atheistic and reductionist politique was certainly an influence on Pius IX in his proclamation of the Immaculate Conception. The doctrine of the Assumption in 1950 might be viewed in the context of a totalitarian crushing of the dignity of the human person by Fascist and Communist regimes.

Born in Ireland in 1946, Bishop Stack was ordained a priest of the Diocese of Westminster in 1972 and was appointed auxiliary bishop in 2001.
This is the really the problem with the conciliar church, allowing Bishops like this to remain in good standing. Total disciplinary failure. Just like CITH and all that. And the Bishops doesn't seem very sharp either.
(02-11-2011, 11:03 PM)devotedknuckles Wrote: Indeed in full comunion
th is an outrage!!! 

In communion with what. The Heretical Novus Ordo sect. I prefere my Church which believes in the intercession of Mary and is not in full communion with heretical Rome.

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