There is No Such Thing as a Homosexual Catholic Priest
(02-20-2011, 03:41 PM)QuisUtDeus Wrote:
(02-20-2011, 03:23 PM)Melkite Wrote: Wait a minute, if effeminate is attachment to luxury, does that mean a man who wants to have a nice house or a nice car or an easy job can't go to heaven?

First we need to be clear. Effeminate means that, but not only that.

Luxury in this sense means avoidance of pain, discomfort, hardship, etc. that needs to be faced.  It goes against the virtue of perseverance.  It can mean a nice car or an easy job or fine clothes, but it doesn't have to.  In the sense you are using it, which is related to the basic meaning, it makes it difficult to go to heaven because it increases worldliness and therefore detracts from the divine.  Christ's whole eye-of-the-needle speech.

Instead of a concrete definition, what is important is the concept.  In the vernacular, condemning the effeminate means "God doesn't like pussies."  We need to man up and stop whining.  Don't run from your crosses, but bear them through to the end.  Do what's right instead of what is easy.  Comfort should not be a primary concern, etc.  Don't scream like a schoolgirl when something goes wrong.

The virtue opposite of effeminancy is perseverance which is annexed to fortitude.


As temperance and its annexed virtues remove from the will hindrances to rational good arising from sensuous pleasure, so fortitude removes from the will those obstacles arising from the difficulties of doing what reason requires. Hence fortitude, which implies a certain moral strength and courage, is the virtue by which one meets and sustains dangers and difficulties, even death itself, and in never through fear of these deterred from the pursuit of good which reason dictates.

Perseverance, the virtue which disposes to continuance in the accomplishment of good works in spite of the difficulties attendant upon them.  As a moral virtue it is not to be taken precisely for what is designated as final perseverance, that special gift of the predestined by which one is found in the state of grace at the moment of death. It is used here to designate that virtue which disposes one to continuance in any virtuous work whatsoever.

CE article on fortitude:

It should be clear modern Protestants have twisted the meaning of effeminacy.  Why, I'm not sure.  It's not like sodomitical acts are not condemned in the same sentence.  St. Thomas mentions a gloss about unnatural acts, but then he explains what that gloss means.  Maybe the Prots didn't like the "Romish" interpretation on principle.  But when you read the Fathers, it's clear they mean effeminacy as things that go against perseverance: softness, a like for fine things, etc.

Ok, so having all those nice things, as long as you're not putting them above God, and you're not doing or having them as an escape from one's cross or to avoid dealing with tribulation, isn't what is being condemned there by effeminacy?  Good to know :)

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Re: There is No Such Thing as a Homosexual Catholic Priest - by Melkite - 02-20-2011, 04:14 PM

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