There is No Such Thing as a Homosexual Catholic Priest
(02-23-2011, 11:33 AM)James02 Wrote: It seems that only point 4 is in dispute, though you deny being a Donatist, you put priest in quotes on you comments on item 3.  Getting back to the point in dispute:

Many Catholics go to hell.  Pope Pius XII was explicit on this point:
Quote:"23. Nor must one imagine that the Body of the Church, just because it bears the name of Christ, is made up during the days of its earthly pilgrimage only of members conspicuous for their holiness, or that it consists only of those whom God has predestined to eternal happiness.

edit: Let me be more precise: Many of the Church Militant will end up in hell.  While living, even though they will end up in hell, they are still Catholic.  Once they die and receive their judgement, they are no longer Catholic.  Because among the dead, the only Catholics are the Church Suffering (purgatory) and the Church Triumphant. 

edit: I don't know the difference between a theological definition of a Catholic or an eschatological.  But eschatologically, we can say that in order to be saved,  it is necessary, but not sufficient , to be Catholic.

Dear brother James02:
We are obviously working with diverse definitions of "Catholic" here.  As St. Paul said in Romans,

For it is not he is a Jew, who is so outwardly; nor is that circumcision which is outwardly in the flesh: [29] But he is a Jew, that is one inwardly; and the circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. Rom. 2:28-29

If we call Catholic anyone baptized in the Roman rite or inducted therein after a valid baptism in another communion, regardless of life, conduct, values, actions, etc... then most certainly uncountable souls will be in hell regardless of titular affiliation.  Christ our Lord teaches that "he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, but he that believeth not shall be condemned."  (Mk. 16:16)  After baptism, we must persevere in faith and works, and the failure to do so most certainly constitutes the conditions whereby condemnation is justified. 

By theological:  a Catholic is a reborn by the grace of the Holy Spirit, living in communion with the Trinity and the universal Church.
By eschatalogical:  a Catholic is an overcomer of the world, living in the world but not of it, a citizen of the heavenly Jerusalem, awaiting the glorious and physical return of our Lord and King Jesus Christ.

Note Pope Pius XII uses "body of the Church" and not "body of Christ" here.  No one truly in the body of Christ (united vitally to Jesus, His passion and resurrection) can be in hell.  But just as Annanias and Sapphira joined themselves to the Church but were struck down at Peter's word for their perfidy, many have joined themselves to the Church in ways that fall short of true union with Christ. (Acts 5:1-10)
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