There is No Such Thing as a Homosexual Catholic Priest
(02-23-2011, 09:49 PM)Catholic Johnny Wrote:
(02-23-2011, 08:48 PM)voxpopulisuxx Wrote: So the problem is with the catechism?

Well, I see a problem there - maybe I'm just dense.  But the CCC says "homosexual persons are called to chastity."  Then it defines chastity as integration of the inner life with the body.  Then it says everyone is called to accept their sexual identity and this imperative is presented in the context of complimentarity, as in matrimony.   So it says that a homosexual person is called to chastity as a homosexual person which would be impossible by the definition of sexual identity as presented in the CCC.


I'm beginning to notice a certain lack of integrity on your part, and to be hones with you, it is making me angry.

The CCC does not present it as you are characterizing it.

First it says:

2333 Everyone, man and woman, should acknowledge and accept his sexual identity. Physical, moral, and spiritual difference and complementarity are oriented toward the goods of marriage and the flourishing of family life. The harmony of the couple and of society depends in part on the way in which the complementarity, needs, and mutual support between the sexes are lived out.

The fact you can come up with it saying someone should embrace their homosexual tendencies given that the next sentence explains the identities are oriented towards the goods of marriage shows either a lack of comprehension or malice on your part.

After that it defines chastity:

2337 Chastity means the successful integration of sexuality within the person and thus the inner unity of man in his bodily and spiritual being. Sexuality, in which man's belonging to the bodily and biological world is expressed, becomes personal and truly human when it is integrated into the relationship of one person to another, in the complete and lifelong mutual gift of a man and a woman.

Again, you either suffer from a lack of ability to comprehend or outright malice.

It clearly states that sexuality is only related to the "complete and lifelong mutual gift of a man and a woman".  How you can then apply this definition of integration to disorder is beyond me.  And don't say the CCC is doing it - it is not.  The most one can read into it while being intellectually honest is that this, too, is a goal for someone suffering from the homsexual burden - eventually, hopefully, the disorder will be conquered and the person will experience a normal sexuality within the confines of marriage or remain chaste according to his station in life.

And never mind the following sections entitled "Integrity of the person and the integrality of the gift of self" which clearly hammer out (for once in the CCC) what they mean by integrating one's identity.

Only after that, in a completely different section, does it talk about homosexuality and it explains exactly how they are called to chastity:

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

Self-mastery is explained in 2339-2343.

Really, I think you're being disingenuous and purposefully so.  Why, I'm not sure.  Maybe you actually believe what you're saying and don't realize you are twisting words like pretzels and misrepresenting what the Church says.  Maybe you do, and if you do, I'd like to at least give you the benefit of the doubt by saying that you're doing something intellectually dishonest at least to achieve a greater good.  But, really, I don't believe that.

In any case, it doesn't matter what I believe about what's going on in your head, but I thought I'd mention it since you imply I'm infected by Modernism when really I'm just infected by intellectual honesty.  What counts is what you are posting.  You are clearly and deliberately twisting things, selectively citing Scripture, ignoring questions, etc.

I am going to ask you to proceed in an intellectually honest manner or stop posting.  There is plenty to criticize in the Church without making stuff up or misrepresenting things.  The fact that there are openly and practicing homosexual priests still in ministry is a good place to start legitimate criticism.


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