There is No Such Thing as a Homosexual Catholic Priest
(02-27-2011, 01:10 AM)QuisUtDeus Wrote: Amazing how the DSM suddenly become relevant when it fits someone's argument, otherwise it is peripheral.   ::)

(02-19-2011, 03:09 AM)Catholic Johnny Wrote:
(02-19-2011, 01:35 AM)QuisUtDeus Wrote: I'm not sure what you're getting at, if anything.  Originally, homosexuality was seen as a psychopathology and appeared in the DSM.  Because of homosexual advocacy, it was removed from the DSM....

It is the "lifestyle" that needs to be left behind to avoid sin.  Unnatural acts, improper relationships, etc.  Assuming it is a psychopathology, one cannot leave behind homosexuality as same-sex attraction any more than someone who suffers manic depression can leave that behind. 

1.  Psychopathology is not a theological category.  Even the CCC (pp 2357) admits that it cannot identify the psychological genesis of this 'disorder.'
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3.  Pennance, faith, mortification of concupscient desire, and growth in grace and holiness are the lot of all Christians.  No exception should be made for the homosexual.  You are adopting a medical theory and not a Gospel position on this.  The medical theory is "once sick, always sick" (cf alcoholism) and therefore the compassionate response is to help the "alcoholic" (another nonbiblical identity designation with widespread acceptance in the Church) cope with his 'disease.'  The Gospel calls us to "overcome the world" (1 John 5:4). 

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Peripheral discussions about psychology and pseudo-medical theories may help to clear the air as they are dispelled by sound doctrine, but the issue I am raising is the status of those who claim to be Priests and homosexuals at the same time. 

Sorry, CJ, you already said the DSM claims are "dispelled by sound doctrine".  You aren't going to be taken seriously if you can't be intellectually honest and consistent.

This thread is a great example of sophistry in action.

I have been 100% consistent.  My entire point was that the Church should never have inserted a neologism based on changing/changeable scienctific theory into a doctrinal statement.  All this reference to the DSM does is show that even by the standards of science the redefining of people as homosexual persons is fraught with all kinds of problems.  It shows that Canon law accepts psychiatry as an evidence of fitness for orders and by Canon Law's standards "homosexual persons" had a mental disorder until it magically disappeared from the DSM in 1973. 

I have been saying the same thing all along - but now I have a little bit more ammo to oppose those who want to argue in favor of sodomitic priests from the perspective of science.  Personally, I believe science is close to a non-factor on this issue as the Scriptures and tradition are crystal clear until you get to the 1970s and 80s and all this new pseudo-scientific language gets injected into Catholic doctrinal statements. 
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