There is No Such Thing as a Homosexual Catholic Priest
(03-04-2011, 04:14 PM)QuisUtDeus Wrote:
(03-04-2011, 02:24 PM)voxpopulisuxx Wrote: There is a difference between actual sin and original sin. Meaning no one can avoid original sin. Everyone can avoid devient sexual behavior. The behavior causes the homosexual lust not the other way around.

So, you're saying homosexual lust only results from acts, but heterosexual (i.e., normal) lust only results from original sin?  It that it?

If so, my question still stands:

Quote:Do you have a theological citation for that?  If not, what are you basing your belief that original sin, the fall from grace, is not part of all sin?

My counterargument, if that's your contention, is that it seems to me that Church teaching is all sin comes from our fallen nature, and that would include even unnatural acts such as masturbation, sodomy, bestiality, etc.  St. Thomas (ST II-II Q 154) argues that unnatural lust is a species of lust, and lust obviously comes from our fallen nature, therefore, I would argue, so do unnatural acts and lust.

Self-abuse is an unnatural act.  Do you think that comes from our fallen nature or from behavior?  If you say from fallen nature, what makes sodomy special since both are unnatural acts?  How would you answer St. Thomas?

Well the answer lies in the guilt of actual sin , rather than in our propensity to sin due to Original sin.  Yes , we all have a fallen human nature - but we also have the Grace of GOD in sufficient measure to overcome that fallen human nature.  As no man is tempted beyond his strength.  Like it or not all sin remains a willful act against the morality of GOD.    So all sin actually comes from our refusal of GOD's sufficient grace and that temptation is possible because of our fallen human nature.  Lust remains a temptation and if given in to willfully  then a Sin.    But no man is tempted beyond hisa strength.  That is key.  If that were not true - we would not face judgement day.

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