What landed in my comments boxes (Was Hitler a Catholic?)
#1
Just found something in the comments at our site:

"Just 70 yrears ago ROME & Catholic Italy had just attacked & launched a massive, hellish WAR on its neighbors.

Butchering & murdering Millions & MILLIONS of innocent peacefull people…JUST for not JOINING up with HITLER ~

for NO REASON…… MURDERING Thousands of Africans, Egyptians , Greece & others …
ROME & Catholic Italy had JUST Joined up with Hitler,

IT took 22,000 { twenty two thousand}…..]
US American tooops DYING, IN ITALY, for
the USA to defeat Catholic Italy….

~~~~~~~~~Millions of Catholics IN Germany & Italy….. murdered Millions of OTHER CATHOLICS & Non Catholics round the planet..

Simply for not joining up with The Catholic Hitler..

This was just 70 yrs ago…..

What is the Lure & thrill and unified UNBROKEN chain of unity and love and respect that the catholic church has bestowed upon the earth..

Are we missing something… ?"

Whew! Like a bulletin from another planet. But this is the problem - our society is now so fragmented, everyone's coming from  a different planet.

Was Hitler a Catholic? I guess he was born an Austrian and thus likely baptised a Catholic ... Unbelievable ,,,

Unbelievable ... except its not      :(

Now I've got to go figure out what to say to this person ...
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#2
This is the fallacy known as "guilt by association." It's too puerile to be taken seriously.

Hitler was Austrian, he was baptized and went to Church in his early days like most people at the time. Nevertheless, during adulthood, his political views made him distance himself from the Church and Christianity in general. In no way did he present himself to the public life of the party and Germany as a defender or promotor of Catholicism. There's nothing distinctively "Catholic" or "Christian" about national-socialism, quite the contrary.

If we were to dismiss religions because of "guilt by association," then German Lutheranism would be condemned from the get-go since the majority of the supporters of the Nazi regime were Protestants. Muslims in Palestine also sympathized with Hitler. Some of them, like Ahmadinejad, still do today. The same can be said of atheists, especially regarding Communism which was even more criminal than Nazism. We can pretty much dismiss anyone outright if we accept "guilt by association."

What you have to teach to this person is, first and foremost, how to think. His comments are nonsensical.
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#3
And don't forget a good percentage of US, French, etc. troops that died fighting Hitler were Catholic as well.
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#4
Dachau held a high % of Catholic religious who opposed the Nazis
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#5
Hitler gave up the Faith and never went to Church.  To call him Catholic is to willfully ignore history in order to maintain a hatred of the Church.  Hitler was an anti-semite, so he hated Jesus.
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#6
The Pope declared war on Africans,Egyptians (Africans BTW), Greece, etc.......?

What did I miss here?

Sound like your friend is rewriting history with an anti-Catholic/Italian bigotry.

And Mussolini was no Catholic, even less so than Hitler.

Why don't you let them know that the Italian people wound up murdering Mussolini and stringing him and those "catholics" up publicly for dragging Italy into the war.
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#7
In a search just now an interesting Q was raised by a blogger:

Why didn't the Catholic church ever excommunicate Hitler?

Can an excommunication be posthumous?
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(02-26-2011, 03:01 PM)Habitual_Ritual Wrote: In a search just now an interesting Q was raised by a blogger:

Why didn't the Catholic church ever excommunicate Hitler?

Can an excommunication be posthumous?
OK, what does it take to be "excommunicated"?

Something tells me Hitler never directly attacked the Church itself. (Or it's dogmas, at least publicly)
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(02-26-2011, 03:04 PM)alaric Wrote:
(02-26-2011, 03:01 PM)Habitual_Ritual Wrote: In a search just now an interesting Q was raised by a blogger:

Why didn't the Catholic church ever excommunicate Hitler?

Can an excommunication be posthumous?
OK, what does it take to be "excommunicated"?

Something tells me Hitler never directly attacked the Church itself. (Or it's dogmas, at least publicly)

The Church recently excommunicated a woman and her Doctor for performing an abortion on the daughter.
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(02-26-2011, 08:27 AM)Vetus Ordo Wrote: This is the fallacy known as "guilt by association." It's too puerile to be taken seriously.

Hitler was Austrian, he was baptized and went to Church in his early days like most people at the time. Nevertheless, during adulthood, his political views made him distance himself from the Church and Christianity in general. In no way did he present himself to the public life of the party and Germany as a defender or promotor of Catholicism. There's nothing distinctively "Catholic" or "Christian" about national-socialism, quite the contrary.

If we were to dismiss religions because of "guilt by association," then German Lutheranism would be condemned from the get-go since the majority of the supporters of the Nazi regime were Protestants. Muslims in Palestine also sympathized with Hitler. Some of them, like Ahmadinejad, still do today. The same can be said of atheists, especially regarding Communism which was even more criminal than Nazism. We can pretty much dismiss anyone outright if we accept "guilt by association."

What you have to teach to this person is, first and foremost, how to think. His comments are nonsensical.

I have a book called "Hitler's Table Talk" which includes speeches and minutes of discussions among Hitler and Nazi higherups.  He attacked the Catholic Church vociferously in some of his talks, and the interesting part is that he uses a lot of liberal talking points.  He says things like the Church is only interested in money, and the Priests exist to dupe people out of money, and that the Church has held back civilization and opposed national socialism because of its regressive outlook. 
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