What landed in my comments boxes (Was Hitler a Catholic?)
#31
(02-26-2011, 03:28 PM)Habitual_Ritual Wrote: Found this:

"“For the record, Hitler persecuted the Catholic Church and was automatically excommunicated in 1931—two years before he assumed power—when he acted as best man at Joseph Goebbel’s Protestant wedding. Hitler even bragged about his separation from the Church. As for doing nothing about the Holocaust, Sir Martin Gilbert reminds us that Goebbels denounced Pope Pius XII for his 1942 Christmas message criticizing the Nazis (the New York Times lauded the pope for doing so in an editorial for two years in a row). Much to Hagee’s chagrin, Gilbert also says that Pius XII saved three quarters of the Jews in Rome, and that more Jews were saved proportionately in Catholic countries than Protestant countries. Indeed, Israeli diplomat Pinchas Lapide credited the Catholic Church with saving 860,000 Jews. No religion can match that."

http://www.catholicleague.org/release.php?id=1393
Again, where are the official records or recordings of any of this stuff?

This is the problem with all of this anyone can come out and make statements like these, do you have any verifiable proof of any of this except heresay or second hand information?


If Pius didn't excommunicate the man he must've had his reasons or are you somehow theologically superior than the pope?


A pope who many believe should be canonized a saint BTW.
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#32
(02-26-2011, 08:31 PM)alaric Wrote: If Pius didn't excommunicate the man he must've had his reasons or are you somehow theologically superior than the pope?


A pope who many believe should be canonized a saint BTW.

:laughing:

So,proposing a question for the sake of an interesting debate constitutes an attack on the Papacy now??  Your a piece of work you are.
Fact is,I suspect we may never have a satisfactory answer to a very interesting question Given Hitlers open opposition to the Church and support of abortion,not to mention ALL the other monstrosities.
If you feel,for whatever reason,this is a question not worth discussing,I suggest you take yourself off elsewhere...
:pointlaff:

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#33
(02-26-2011, 08:35 PM)Habitual_Ritual Wrote: Fact is,I suspect we may never have a satisfactory answer to a very interesting question Given Hitlers open opposition to the Church and support of abortion,not to mention ALL the other monstrosities.

Have you read the encyclical I linked to?
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#34
(02-26-2011, 08:39 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote:
(02-26-2011, 08:35 PM)Habitual_Ritual Wrote: Fact is,I suspect we may never have a satisfactory answer to a very interesting question Given Hitlers open opposition to the Church and support of abortion,not to mention ALL the other monstrosities.

Have you read the encyclical I linked to?

Yes.Interesting that the words "Idolatry" and "Blasphemy" get thrown about but not directed at any named individual of course.
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#35
(02-26-2011, 08:40 PM)Habitual_Ritual Wrote:
(02-26-2011, 08:39 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote:
(02-26-2011, 08:35 PM)Habitual_Ritual Wrote: Fact is,I suspect we may never have a satisfactory answer to a very interesting question Given Hitlers open opposition to the Church and support of abortion,not to mention ALL the other monstrosities.

Have you read the encyclical I linked to?

Yes. Interesting that the words "Idolatry" and "Blasphemy" get thrown about but not directed at any named individual of course.

Given that it was addressed at the German Church, the message was clear.

National-Socialism was condemned, as well as Communism.
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#36
[quote='Habitual_Ritual' pid='705890' dateline='1298749979']
[quote]ABORTION PROMOTED FOR NON-ARYAN WOMEN

When the Nazis entered Poland (a Roman Catholic country) in 1939 abortion for any reason was illegal. The use of contraceptives was also illegal in Poland (because the Roman Catholic Church was opposed to abortion and to contraception as well). The Nazis conquered half the country (the other half went to the Russians), and they immediately did away with the anti-abortion laws. Hitler wanted to limit and reduce all non-Aryan populations. In late 1939 a decree was issued encouraging Polish women to seek abortions. The campaign was called "Auswahlfeiheit" ("Freedom of Choice").

Martin Bormann, the Head of the Nazi Party and personal secretary to Adolf Hitler, wrote the following letter to Alfred Rosenberg; the Nazi Party ideologist:

    "The Slavs are to work for us. Insofar as we don't need them they may die. Therefore compulsory vaccination and education are superfluous. The fertility of Slavs is undesirable." (NCA II. Office of the United States Chief of Counsel for Prosecution of Axis Criminality. Nazi Conspiracy and Agression, Volume II. 1946)

Hitler himself said:

    They may use contraceptives or practice abortion--the more the better. In view of the large families of the native population, it could only suit us if girls and women there had as many [color=red]abortions as possible. Active trade in contraceptives ought to be actually encouraged in the Eastern territories, as we could not possibly have the slightest interest in increasing the non-Germanic population." (Harvest of Hate, 1954, pp. 273-4 emphasis added) [/quote[/colo

http://www.angelfire.com/mo/baha/nazis.html
[/quote] just what the heck is "harvest of hate" anyway? Is it any kind of credible source? who the heck would call itself "harvest of hate"?

No the problem is there can never be a rational discussion when it comes to ol Adolph and those eeevil Nazi's.

People just can't stay on point without getting all emotional and stating things that just weren't said or at least don't have indisputable proof.

What is so hard about that?

Yes-yes little man. we get it already, they were all evil and deserve to burn in hell for eternity.

That's what excommunication implies.

But I guess Pius didn't see it that way.

Must have been a "nazi-sympathizer" like ol ADL Abe Fox-man is always kvetching about. ::)
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#37
(02-26-2011, 08:45 PM)alaric Wrote: Must have been a "nazi-sympathizer" like ol ADL Abe Fox-man is always kvetching about. ::)

Ah,is that where you think this going?  Knee Jerk much? 
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#38
(02-26-2011, 08:51 PM)Habitual_Ritual Wrote:
(02-26-2011, 08:45 PM)alaric Wrote: Must have been a "nazi-sympathizer" like ol ADL Abe Fox-man is always kvetching about. ::)

Ah,is that where you think this going?  Knee Jerk much? 
I don't know,,,,,,,where are you going with this then?

I'm not the one implying that the church boobed it by not excommunicating AH.

No k-j here.
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#39
(02-26-2011, 03:28 PM)Habitual_Ritual Wrote: Found this:

"“For the record, Hitler persecuted the Catholic Church and was automatically excommunicated in 1931—two years before he assumed power—when he acted as best man at Joseph Goebbel’s Protestant wedding. Hitler even bragged about his separation from the Church. As for doing nothing about the Holocaust, Sir Martin Gilbert reminds us that Goebbels denounced Pope Pius XII for his 1942 Christmas message criticizing the Nazis (the New York Times lauded the pope for doing so in an editorial for two years in a row). Much to Hagee’s chagrin, Gilbert also says that Pius XII saved three quarters of the Jews in Rome, and that more Jews were saved proportionately in Catholic countries than Protestant countries. Indeed, Israeli diplomat Pinchas Lapide credited the Catholic Church with saving 860,000 Jews. No religion can match that."

http://www.catholicleague.org/release.php?id=1393

Yes. To bolster your statement, Franco saved Jews, too.
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#40
The Orthodox Church never excommunicated Stalin either, and Communism was far worse than Fascism, if you think numbers mean anything.
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