04-14-2011, 04:10 AM
foreplay in the sexual act
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04-14-2011, 04:12 AM
(04-14-2011, 12:00 AM)QuisUtDeus Wrote:(04-13-2011, 09:52 PM)Mithrandylan Wrote:Yes, imperfect sodomy is unnatural acts between a man and a woman.(04-13-2011, 09:38 PM)QuisUtDeus Wrote:(04-13-2011, 09:03 PM)Mithrandylan Wrote: Wait so sodomy between two guys cries to heaven for vengeance but not between a woman and a man? Can I get some details on that? Why would there be a difference, its an abuse of the sexual faculties and naturally disordered, why should it matter if its between a man and a man or a woman and a man? At the very least, this seems wrong for the reason that it endangers the woman's health if certain bacteria and such got where it didn't belong. We teach children to wipe "front-to-back" for a reason.
04-14-2011, 05:06 AM
(04-14-2011, 04:12 AM)OCLittleFlower Wrote: At the very least, this seems wrong for the reason that it endangers the woman's health if certain bacteria and such got where it didn't belong. We teach children to wipe "front-to-back" for a reason. Well, this isn't secular humanist health class so I'm not going to go into details about how to make an unnatural act safer. But safety isn't necessarily an issue, though certainly it can be. I just personally think it's gross and stupid. You won't see me interested in it. :shrug:
04-14-2011, 08:33 AM
What we need is the section from "Moral Theology" by Fr. Heribert Jone about these types of topics posted (I'd be happy to type it up) and a "When in doubt, don't do it or ask your priest about it.".
04-14-2011, 10:20 AM
(04-14-2011, 01:55 AM)QuisUtDeus Wrote:But does this also apply to pregnant women? In other words, is it licit to have intercourse with your pregnant wife? I don't have a particular horse in the race, so to speak, for an answer. I would simply like to know if, when I am married and having children, sex with my pregnant wife would be considered valid.(04-14-2011, 01:42 AM)Dante Alighieri Wrote:(04-13-2011, 09:49 PM)UnamSanctam Wrote: Why does it matter whether the seed is sprinkled on the floor (i.e. masturbation) or in a sterile vagina? In either case it is not for procreation, and a waste of seed that could be avoided. For example, a couple who has sex while the woman is pregnant would mean fertility is impossible at that time.
04-14-2011, 10:48 AM
This thread moved quickly to discussing of anal sex, sodomy between men, etc. But let us not forget the original question was about oral sex.
My own opinion was the oral sex *as foreplay* was tolerable/permissible but for many reasons not a good idea (demeaning). On one hand we can compare to anal sex and emphasize it's wrong-seemingness. But what about comparing it to caressing, kissing, petting? These acts are clearly licit, intercourse without this is mechanical, can even be painful, that's now how the human bodies work. I don't think oral sex is the same as kissing .... but I don't see that when used as foreplay it is the same as anal sex between men either, at all.
04-14-2011, 10:59 AM
(04-13-2011, 11:25 PM)UnamSanctam Wrote:(04-13-2011, 10:19 PM)Christus Imperat Wrote: Over/under for thread: 450 posts. I wouldn't be quick to assume it to be bad. Consider that sex is (more often than not) a part of any straight lay catholics life but talking about it (rather, having a place to talk about it) is difficult because you will get all wrong answers if approaching the world with these questions and I don't think everyone is entirely comfortable talking to a priest about it. I think it better here than calling a radio show or trying to find answers in a magazine.
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04-14-2011, 11:22 AM
04-14-2011, 11:27 AM
(04-14-2011, 01:42 AM)Dante Alighieri Wrote:(04-13-2011, 09:49 PM)UnamSanctam Wrote: Why does it matter whether the seed is sprinkled on the floor (i.e. masturbation) or in a sterile vagina? In either case it is not for procreation, and a waste of seed that could be avoided. For example, a couple who has sex while the woman is pregnant would mean fertility is impossible at that time. Quis gave a good response here, but I might just add that, in laymen's terms, we just have to do our job. That is acting naturally and morally in regards to sex. We cannot discount that God performs miracles and can, as with Sarah, bring life even in a sterile woman. He does not do this with masturbation or contraceptive sex because we are purposefully frustrating the ability for new life to emerge and are rejecting that possibility with our free will. Intercourse, even while sterile, is open to children.
04-14-2011, 11:51 AM
(04-14-2011, 11:27 AM)Walty Wrote:(04-14-2011, 01:42 AM)Dante Alighieri Wrote:(04-13-2011, 09:49 PM)UnamSanctam Wrote: Why does it matter whether the seed is sprinkled on the floor (i.e. masturbation) or in a sterile vagina? In either case it is not for procreation, and a waste of seed that could be avoided. For example, a couple who has sex while the woman is pregnant would mean fertility is impossible at that time. +1 |
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