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(04-13-2011, 08:38 PM)QuisUtDeus Wrote:
(04-13-2011, 08:16 PM)UnamSanctam Wrote: I would say that oral sex would never be permissible, as it is not for the purpose of procreation.

Not everything has to be pro-creative as long as the conclusion of the act is open to pro-creation.  By your reckoning, sex between sterile people, etc., would never be permissible since they cannot procreate even in a natural ordered act.  That's not the case.  The secondary purpose of marital relations, and also marriage, is a physical expression of love between man and wife.  That suffices to make it licit as long as it remains open to pro-creation.

Go back to SPL's post and read the cites from a moral theology text:

Quote:The intrinsic reason for this (I Cor. vii, 3) is that the conjugal act is not only necessary for the propagation of the human race but also for the fostering of married love.  As often as one of these purposes is desired, the conjugal act is lawful, provided that no other ills or inconveniences ensue.  Consequently the partners in marriage are not obliged to exercise sexual intercourse simply for the sake of procreation.

What is not allowed, ever, is onanism - spilling the seed outside the vagina; proximate danger of pollution (risk spilling the seed) means you shouldn't do anything that has a high risk of that happening even by accident.  If it's begun somewhere else, it needs to finish up in a pro-creative manner.

Why does it matter whether the seed is sprinkled on the floor (i.e. masturbation) or in a sterile vagina? In either case it is not for procreation, and a waste of seed that could be avoided. For example, a couple who has sex while the woman is pregnant would mean fertility is impossible at that time.
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