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(04-14-2011, 01:00 PM)SouthpawLink Wrote: Forgive me, but the relevant section in McHugh and Callan's Moral Theology: A Complete Course (vol. II) is too long for me to quote in a short period of time.  Instead, I'll quote a few snippets based on what's been discussed in this thread.

"Lewdness is an action not directed to the conjugal act.  Coition itself is lawful in the married state, and this legitimatizes all the preparatory or accessory endearments.  Hence, the rule as to married persons is that venereal kisses and other such acts are lawful when given with a view to the exercise of the lawful marriage act and kept within the bounds of decency and moderation; that they are sinful, gravely or lightly according to the case, when unbecoming or immoderate; that they are venially sinful, on account on the inordinate use of a thing lawful in itself, when only pleasure is intended; that they are mortally sinflul, when they tend to pollution, whether solitary or not solitary, for then they are acts of lewdness" (sec. 2510 e, p. 522).

"Oral abuse committed by or with either sex is indecent objectively and subjectively.  It is the filthiest form of lewdness, and is usually joined with pollution (irrumation)" (sec. 2512 b, p. 524).

"Fornication ... differs from lewdness, which consists in unconsummated acts, and from sodomitic intercourse, which is consummated but unsuited for generation" (sec. 2523, p. 534).

I hope this is helpful (although it does seem to offer a different opinion than that of Prümmer).

I may have to decode it a bit for the casual reader, I think.

"when they tend to pollution" = can be used to cause spilling of seed
"irrumation" = fellatio

Though, I have to admit even with the decoder ring I find their statement confusing.  I know you haven't quoted the whole section, so clarity may reside in the missing pieces, but they seem to be saying most things are OK if the the act cannot bring someone to climax in and of itself (if it does not tend to pollution), but an act that can bring someone to climax is inherently lewd.

The problem with that is, and without getting graphic, there isn't a universal rule although they claim to be making an objective argument.  In some people, climax can happen even without touching the genitalia.  I suppose in that case it would be an occasion of sin for those susceptible to that, but not for others. ???

While all this is very interesting from a theoretical standpoint, I still think the best course of action is to deal with the embarrassment and ask one's priest.
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