Chalcedon
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I'm sure some Copt or other non-Chalcedonian apologist added that tidbit to the wiki. Basically they claim the Chalcedonian Council and the Tome of St. Leo to be Nestorian. They focus on the 4th Anathema of St. Cyril adopted by the Council of Ephesus which says:

Ephesus Wrote:"4. If anyone distributes between the two persons or hypostases the expressions used either in the gospels or in the apostolic writings, whether they are used by the holy writers of Christ or by him about himself, and ascribes some to him as to a man, thought of separately from the Word from God, and others, as befitting God, to him as to the Word from God the Father, let him be anathema."

They say it contradicts this part:

Chalcedon Wrote:"consubstantial [co-essential] with the Father according to the Godhead, and consubstantial with us according to the Manhood; in all things like unto us, without sin; begotten before all ages of the Father according to the Godhead, and in these latter days, for us and for our salvation, born of the Virgin Mary, the Mother of God, according to the Manhood."

There are some similar passages in St. Leo's Tome which they say contradict Ephesus:

St. Leo Wrote:"He whom Herod impiously designs to slay is like humanity in its beginnings; but he whom the Magi rejoice to adore on their knees is Lord of all."

"Accordingly, he who, as man, is tempted by the devil's subtlety, is the same to whom, as God, angels pay duteous service. To hunger, to thirst, to be weary, and to sleep, is evidently human. But to satisfy five thousand men with five loaves, and give to the Samaritan woman that living water, to draw which can secure him that drinks of it from ever thirsting again; to walk on the surface of the sea with feet that sink not, and by rebuking the storm to bring down the "uplifted waves," is unquestionably Divine."

The key is the phrase in the Ephesian anathema “thought of separately.” The Nestorians separated the Word from the flesh. This is why they could not call the Blessed Virgin the Mother of God; they said it was only humanity in her womb. They said it was only humanity on the Cross. They said it was only the divinity in Heaven that worked the miracles. They basically introduced another person, dividing the incarnate Word into a divine Person and a human one.

The Eutychian Monophysites on the other hand, basically claimed the divinity swallowed up the humanity resulting in but one nature. What St. Leo and Chalcedon were affirming was that the humanity and divinity were both always together in the same person. St. Leo does this by showing how Christ exhibited both human and divine attributes in His same Person—in other words, both natures remained united together in one Person, one was not lost. The Chalcedonian quote above is merely ruling out the human nature of Christ pre-existing His incarnation in the Virgin. The inclusion of the phrase “Mother of God” and the subsequent phrase “one and the same Christ, Son, Lord, only begotten, to be acknowledged in two natures, inconfusedly, unchangeably, indivisibly, inseparably” makes it clear the intent is not to separate, but rather to show the unity of both natures.

I hope that helps!
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Chalcedon - by randomtradguy - 04-26-2011, 01:04 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by spasiisochrani - 04-26-2011, 01:53 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by SaintSebastian - 04-26-2011, 02:36 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Melkite - 04-26-2011, 04:26 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by SaintSebastian - 04-26-2011, 04:40 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Vetus Ordo - 04-26-2011, 04:41 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Resurrexi - 04-26-2011, 05:20 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Walty - 04-26-2011, 05:23 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Walty - 04-26-2011, 05:25 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Resurrexi - 04-26-2011, 05:27 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by randomtradguy - 04-26-2011, 07:59 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Melkite - 04-27-2011, 01:15 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by 3Sanctus - 04-27-2011, 01:23 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by Dusty_Bottoms - 04-27-2011, 10:11 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by SaintSebastian - 04-27-2011, 10:54 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by Walty - 04-27-2011, 04:50 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by SouthpawLink - 04-27-2011, 05:50 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Walty - 04-27-2011, 07:06 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by SouthpawLink - 04-27-2011, 07:43 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Walty - 04-27-2011, 10:46 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by SouthpawLink - 04-28-2011, 12:39 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by randomtradguy - 05-03-2011, 11:21 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by Landelinus - 05-03-2011, 11:48 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by SaintSebastian - 05-03-2011, 12:51 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Melkite - 05-03-2011, 02:20 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Walty - 05-03-2011, 04:16 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Melkite - 05-03-2011, 04:43 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Walty - 05-03-2011, 04:45 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by SaintSebastian - 05-03-2011, 04:47 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Melkite - 05-03-2011, 04:51 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Melkite - 05-03-2011, 06:28 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Gregory I - 05-06-2011, 08:46 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Walty - 05-07-2011, 05:43 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by Walty - 05-07-2011, 05:47 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by Gregory I - 05-07-2011, 12:25 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Walty - 05-07-2011, 06:13 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Gregory I - 05-07-2011, 08:16 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by randomtradguy - 05-08-2011, 06:22 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Gregory I - 05-09-2011, 12:38 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by Walty - 05-09-2011, 01:01 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by Gregory I - 05-09-2011, 02:04 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by Walty - 05-09-2011, 02:19 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by justlurking - 05-09-2011, 01:56 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by UnamSanctam - 05-09-2011, 02:16 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by UnamSanctam - 05-09-2011, 02:19 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by UnamSanctam - 05-09-2011, 02:20 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by wulfrano - 05-09-2011, 07:02 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Walty - 05-09-2011, 09:40 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by wulfrano - 05-09-2011, 10:49 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Gregory I - 05-09-2011, 11:13 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Walty - 05-09-2011, 11:22 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Gregory I - 05-09-2011, 11:36 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Walty - 05-09-2011, 11:58 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by wulfrano - 05-10-2011, 03:05 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by Walty - 05-10-2011, 03:16 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by Walty - 05-10-2011, 03:46 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by Gregory I - 05-10-2011, 08:26 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Walty - 05-10-2011, 08:28 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by wulfrano - 05-10-2011, 08:51 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Gregory I - 05-10-2011, 10:48 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Walty - 05-10-2011, 11:15 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Gregory I - 05-10-2011, 11:35 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Pheo - 05-10-2011, 11:39 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Walty - 05-10-2011, 11:40 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by wulfrano - 05-10-2011, 11:56 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Walty - 05-11-2011, 12:02 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by Gregory I - 05-11-2011, 12:02 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by Pheo - 05-11-2011, 12:09 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by Walty - 05-11-2011, 12:15 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by wulfrano - 05-11-2011, 12:21 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by Gregory I - 05-11-2011, 12:38 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by wulfrano - 05-11-2011, 12:52 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by Pheo - 05-11-2011, 12:56 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by wulfrano - 05-11-2011, 01:06 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by Pheo - 05-11-2011, 01:15 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by Gregory I - 05-11-2011, 01:34 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by wulfrano - 05-11-2011, 01:36 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by Gregory I - 05-11-2011, 02:40 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by randomtradguy - 05-11-2011, 04:23 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by UnamSanctam - 05-11-2011, 06:39 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by wulfrano - 05-11-2011, 07:15 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by randomtradguy - 05-17-2011, 12:24 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by UnamSanctam - 05-17-2011, 01:09 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by randomtradguy - 05-28-2011, 04:22 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by UnamSanctam - 05-28-2011, 05:41 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Gregory I - 05-28-2011, 07:17 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by wulfrano - 05-28-2011, 07:40 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Gregory I - 05-28-2011, 08:40 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by UnamSanctam - 05-28-2011, 09:44 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by wulfrano - 05-28-2011, 10:34 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by randomtradguy - 05-29-2011, 03:18 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by aquinas138 - 05-30-2011, 12:23 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Gregory I - 05-30-2011, 01:46 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by wulfrano - 05-30-2011, 09:29 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by randomtradguy - 06-03-2011, 11:54 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by UnamSanctam - 06-03-2011, 12:38 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by wulfrano - 06-03-2011, 06:34 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Pheo - 06-03-2011, 06:43 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by wulfrano - 06-03-2011, 07:17 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by randomtradguy - 06-03-2011, 08:22 PM
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Re: Chalcedon - by wulfrano - 06-04-2011, 01:04 AM
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