Chalcedon
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Going back many pages in the discussion, the suspicion against "peering into" the Godhead that the miaphysites evince goes back well before the Christological controversies.  It was one of the characteristic attitudes of the early orthodox Syriac Fathers, Aphrahat and especially Ephrem.  Ephrem's position was that we cannot "define" God because we are of an infinitely lower "order" of being, and a higher order cannot properly be defined by a lower.  Besides this problem, Ephrem, while enthusiastically embracing the Nicene faith, felt that peering into issues we cannot understand did little but cause divisions in the Church.  This is probably the reason that Ephrem's most important work was done in poetry.

Also, as regards St. Cyril's imprecision in his use of "one nature" terminology, it should be remembered that he derived the phrase "one nature of the Word of God incarnate" from a letter he believed to have come from St. Athanasius, which, alas, was discovered in the 6th century to have been written by Apollinaris.  We certainly believe that he meant it in an orthodox way, and his insistence on "one nature" terminology stems from his obsession with combatting Nestorianism; he does mention in other places that speaking of "two natures" is acceptable.  Additionally, the fluidity of the relevant terms prior to Chalcedon is a complicating factor, not only in that the terms were used in various senses, and even synonymously, before the council, but that the non-Greek-speaking parts of the Roman oikumene had translated theses terms into Syriac and other languages, which then became the theological language in those lands.  What particular sense they had in mind for each Greek word is not always clear, and then the baggage carried by the Syriac words used to translate these words additionally clouds the issues.

I honestly believe that the Chalcedonian-"Nestorian"-Miaphysite split has its origins mostly in linguistic difficulties and intemperate polemics, and in the case of the eventual separation of the "Nestorian" Church, political rivalry between Rome and Persia.  Real differences have emerged as a consequence of living apart for centuries, and even though the doctrines condemned at Ephesus and Chalcedon are heretical, I do think they are of a different kind than Arianism.  The latter unapologetically asserted that the Logos was not of the same kind of divinity as the Father–which is flatly contrary to the Catholic Faith.  In the case of the Christological controversies, all three sides are agreed that Christ is fully human and fully divine, but we have grave reservations about the adequacy of each other's ways of explaining this union.  This is also complicated by the fact that the positions we ascribe to the other churches are usually straw man versions of what they actually believe.
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Chalcedon - by randomtradguy - 04-26-2011, 01:04 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by spasiisochrani - 04-26-2011, 01:53 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by SaintSebastian - 04-26-2011, 02:36 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Melkite - 04-26-2011, 04:26 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by SaintSebastian - 04-26-2011, 04:40 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Vetus Ordo - 04-26-2011, 04:41 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Resurrexi - 04-26-2011, 05:20 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Walty - 04-26-2011, 05:23 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Walty - 04-26-2011, 05:25 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Resurrexi - 04-26-2011, 05:27 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by randomtradguy - 04-26-2011, 07:59 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Melkite - 04-27-2011, 01:15 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by 3Sanctus - 04-27-2011, 01:23 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by Dusty_Bottoms - 04-27-2011, 10:11 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by SaintSebastian - 04-27-2011, 10:54 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by Walty - 04-27-2011, 04:50 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by SouthpawLink - 04-27-2011, 05:50 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Walty - 04-27-2011, 07:06 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by SouthpawLink - 04-27-2011, 07:43 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Walty - 04-27-2011, 10:46 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by SouthpawLink - 04-28-2011, 12:39 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by randomtradguy - 05-03-2011, 11:21 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by Landelinus - 05-03-2011, 11:48 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by SaintSebastian - 05-03-2011, 12:51 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Melkite - 05-03-2011, 02:20 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Walty - 05-03-2011, 04:16 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Melkite - 05-03-2011, 04:43 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Walty - 05-03-2011, 04:45 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by SaintSebastian - 05-03-2011, 04:47 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Melkite - 05-03-2011, 04:51 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Melkite - 05-03-2011, 06:28 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Gregory I - 05-06-2011, 08:46 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Walty - 05-07-2011, 05:43 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by Walty - 05-07-2011, 05:47 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by Gregory I - 05-07-2011, 12:25 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Walty - 05-07-2011, 06:13 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Gregory I - 05-07-2011, 08:16 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by randomtradguy - 05-08-2011, 06:22 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Gregory I - 05-09-2011, 12:38 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by Walty - 05-09-2011, 01:01 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by Gregory I - 05-09-2011, 02:04 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by Walty - 05-09-2011, 02:19 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by justlurking - 05-09-2011, 01:56 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by UnamSanctam - 05-09-2011, 02:16 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by UnamSanctam - 05-09-2011, 02:19 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by UnamSanctam - 05-09-2011, 02:20 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by wulfrano - 05-09-2011, 07:02 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Walty - 05-09-2011, 09:40 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by wulfrano - 05-09-2011, 10:49 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Gregory I - 05-09-2011, 11:13 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Walty - 05-09-2011, 11:22 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Gregory I - 05-09-2011, 11:36 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Walty - 05-09-2011, 11:58 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by wulfrano - 05-10-2011, 03:05 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by Walty - 05-10-2011, 03:16 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by Walty - 05-10-2011, 03:46 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by Gregory I - 05-10-2011, 08:26 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Walty - 05-10-2011, 08:28 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by wulfrano - 05-10-2011, 08:51 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Gregory I - 05-10-2011, 10:48 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Walty - 05-10-2011, 11:15 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Gregory I - 05-10-2011, 11:35 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Pheo - 05-10-2011, 11:39 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Walty - 05-10-2011, 11:40 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by wulfrano - 05-10-2011, 11:56 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Walty - 05-11-2011, 12:02 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by Gregory I - 05-11-2011, 12:02 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by Pheo - 05-11-2011, 12:09 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by Walty - 05-11-2011, 12:15 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by wulfrano - 05-11-2011, 12:21 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by Gregory I - 05-11-2011, 12:38 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by wulfrano - 05-11-2011, 12:52 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by Pheo - 05-11-2011, 12:56 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by wulfrano - 05-11-2011, 01:06 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by Pheo - 05-11-2011, 01:15 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by Gregory I - 05-11-2011, 01:34 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by wulfrano - 05-11-2011, 01:36 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by Gregory I - 05-11-2011, 02:40 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by randomtradguy - 05-11-2011, 04:23 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by UnamSanctam - 05-11-2011, 06:39 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by wulfrano - 05-11-2011, 07:15 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by randomtradguy - 05-17-2011, 12:24 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by UnamSanctam - 05-17-2011, 01:09 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by randomtradguy - 05-28-2011, 04:22 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by UnamSanctam - 05-28-2011, 05:41 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Gregory I - 05-28-2011, 07:17 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by wulfrano - 05-28-2011, 07:40 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Gregory I - 05-28-2011, 08:40 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by UnamSanctam - 05-28-2011, 09:44 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by wulfrano - 05-28-2011, 10:34 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by randomtradguy - 05-29-2011, 03:18 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by aquinas138 - 05-30-2011, 12:23 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Gregory I - 05-30-2011, 01:46 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by wulfrano - 05-30-2011, 09:29 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by randomtradguy - 06-03-2011, 11:54 AM
Re: Chalcedon - by UnamSanctam - 06-03-2011, 12:38 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by wulfrano - 06-03-2011, 06:34 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by Pheo - 06-03-2011, 06:43 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by wulfrano - 06-03-2011, 07:17 PM
Re: Chalcedon - by randomtradguy - 06-03-2011, 08:22 PM
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Re: Chalcedon - by wulfrano - 06-04-2011, 01:04 AM
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