Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples
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(05-15-2011, 10:37 AM)justlurking Wrote: The idea of the Two Churches was invented in the 60's by an Argentine Priest called Julio Meinvielle

I wouldn't be surprised if Williamson learned that here before he was expulsed from Argentina

This is the text in Spanish

"“Pero así como la Iglesia comenzó siendo una semilla pequeñísima, y se hizo árbol y árbol frondoso, así puede reducirse en su frondosidad y tener una realidad mucha más modesta. Sabemos que el mysterium iniquitatis ya está obrando; pero no sabemos los límites de su poder.

Sin embargo, no hay dificultad en admitir que la Iglesia de la publicidad pueda ser ganada por el enemigo y convertirse de Iglesia Católica en Iglesia gnóstica. Puede haber dos Iglesias, la una la de la publicidad, Iglesia magnificada en la propaganda, con obispos, sacerdotes y teólogos publicitados, y aun con un Pontífice de actitudes ambiguas; y otra, Iglesia del silencio, con un Papa fiel a Jesucristo en su enseñanza y con algunos sacerdotes, obispos y fieles que le sean adictos, esparcidos como “pusillus grex” por toda la tierra.

Esta segunda sería la Iglesia de las promesas, y no aquella primera, que pudiera defeccionar. Un mismo Papa presidiría ambas Iglesias, que aparente y exteriormente no sería sino una. El Papa, con sus actitudes ambiguas, daría pie para mantener el equívoco. Porque, por una parte, profesando una doctrina intachable sería cabeza de la Iglesia de las Promesas. Por otra parte, produciendo hechos equívocos y aun reprobables, aparecería como alentando la subversión y manteniendo la Iglesia gnóstica de la Publicidad."


This is my own terrible translation of the relevant part

There can be two churches, the first one of publicity, a church magnified through propaganda, with publicized bishops, priests, and theologians, and even with a Pope of ambiguous attitudes, and another, a Church of silence, with a Pope loyal to Christ in the teachings, with some priests, bishops, and loyal catholics, who follow him, and are spreaded around earth as "pussilus grex"

This second Church would be the one of the promises, and not the first one, which could defect. The same pope would be the head of both churches, which apparently and outwardly would be the same church and not two different ones.
The Pope, with his ambiguous attitudes, would allow the manteinence of all that is equivocal. So, one one side, by professing an uncorrupted doctrine, he would be the head of the Church of the promises. One the other side, by producing ambiguous acts, and even reproachable acts, he would appear as if he were supporting the subversion and mantaining the Gnostic Church of Publicity.


That was written before JPII was made Pope and before Assisi. I think it is a dangerous idea.

Justlurking, would you be willing to explain why you believe that this is a dangerous idea? (The 'two churches' issue, I mean). Thanks.
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Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by JayneK - 05-14-2011, 07:16 PM
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