Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples
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(05-16-2011, 10:52 AM)Stubborn Wrote:
(05-16-2011, 09:59 AM)JayneK Wrote:
(05-16-2011, 09:33 AM)Stubborn Wrote: Ok, we agree - onto to the next question for you:

Since the goal of Modernists is to destroy Holy Mother the Church, Modernists have reigned within the hierarchy for at least the last 45 years or so, do you agree or disagree?   

Disagree.  Modernists do not have the goal of destroying the Church.

Then herein lies your problem.  As dictated by Pope St. Pius X, the goal of Modernists is to destroy Holy Mother the Church........Thus the way is open to the intrinsic evolution of dogma. An immense collection of sophisms this, that ruins and destroys all religion. Dogma is not only able, but ought to evolve and to be changed. This is strongly affirmed by the Modernists, and as clearly flows from their principles.

What I posted above is the way the Church is sought to be destroyed by modernism - per Pope St. Pius X.

I don't see him saying that it is the goal of Modernists to destroy the Church.  He says that modernism is an error that if accepted will destroy the Church.  I agree.  I have spent a lot of time among liberals and Modernists.  In my experience, they are well-intentioned.  This does not take away from the wrongness of their beliefs or the importance of opposing them.

(05-16-2011, 10:52 AM)Stubborn Wrote:
(05-16-2011, 09:59 AM)JayneK Wrote: They mean to help but are destructive because they are wrong and foolish.

They are not foolish - they are brilliant! Only those duped into modernism believe that modernists are only "wrong" or "foolish".
Make no mistake here, the devil could care less how he triumphs, by hook or by crook makes no difference to him.

Those duped into modernism think that modernism is right.  Why would people who believe it think it is wrong and foolish? ???

(05-16-2011, 10:52 AM)Stubborn Wrote:
(05-16-2011, 09:59 AM)JayneK Wrote: Nor would I say that modernists "have reigned" the Church as a whole.  They have been influential.
 

Ok, let's get to what I assume is the crux of your denial of modernism within the hierarchy. You believe modernists have been influential - as though the Church was ruled via a democracy or popular vote - where does your thinking on this originate?

Keep in mind that Pope St. Pius X condemned everything about modernism - he dictated that even a hint of the disease would be a contagious plague...........in today's language, we would call that a "zero tolerance policy" precisely because it was so deadly to the faith. So any influence whatsoever, MUST originate or be otherwise supported from the hierarchy - there is absolutely no way to deny that reality - agree?

(05-16-2011, 09:59 AM)JayneK Wrote: There are areas where they have been in control.  But I disagree with stating the problem in the terms you use above.

Any area where they have been in control spreads to all areas. That is the nature of modernism - it spreads indifferentism. That is why It is the most pernicious heresy in the history of the Church.

I am not denying that there is modernism within the hierarchy nor that this is a grave problem.  I just don't think that "reign" is the right word to use.  As far as I can tell, our positions are not all that different and the disagreement is primarily in what words best describe the problem.  If you were not so quick to dismiss me as a modernist for using different words, I think you would see that we have significant amounts of agreement.
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Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by JayneK - 05-14-2011, 07:16 PM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by JayneK - 05-14-2011, 07:44 PM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by JayneK - 05-14-2011, 08:41 PM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by JayneK - 05-14-2011, 08:52 PM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by JayneK - 05-14-2011, 09:35 PM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by JayneK - 05-14-2011, 09:37 PM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by salus - 05-14-2011, 10:14 PM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by Meg - 05-15-2011, 12:58 AM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by PeterII - 05-15-2011, 02:02 AM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by JayneK - 05-15-2011, 07:50 AM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by Meg - 05-15-2011, 10:12 AM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by Gerard - 05-15-2011, 10:17 AM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by Gerard - 05-15-2011, 10:22 AM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by Meg - 05-15-2011, 10:26 AM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by Meg - 05-15-2011, 10:29 AM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by Meg - 05-15-2011, 10:38 AM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by Meg - 05-15-2011, 11:10 AM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by Meg - 05-15-2011, 11:13 AM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by Meg - 05-15-2011, 11:17 AM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by Meg - 05-15-2011, 11:51 AM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by Meg - 05-15-2011, 12:43 PM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by JayneK - 05-15-2011, 12:59 PM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by Justin - 05-15-2011, 07:22 PM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by JayneK - 05-15-2011, 08:30 PM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by Justin - 05-15-2011, 08:42 PM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by JayneK - 05-15-2011, 08:49 PM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by JayneK - 05-15-2011, 08:50 PM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by JayneK - 05-15-2011, 08:54 PM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by PeterII - 05-16-2011, 12:21 AM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by Walty - 05-16-2011, 08:24 AM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by Walty - 05-16-2011, 08:27 AM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by Walty - 05-16-2011, 08:31 AM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by FHM310 - 05-16-2011, 08:40 AM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by JayneK - 05-16-2011, 08:54 AM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by JayneK - 05-16-2011, 09:22 AM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by JayneK - 05-16-2011, 09:59 AM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by JayneK - 05-16-2011, 11:10 AM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by JayneK - 05-16-2011, 11:47 AM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by JayneK - 05-16-2011, 12:37 PM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by Walty - 05-16-2011, 10:20 PM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by JayneK - 05-16-2011, 11:13 PM



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