Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples
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(05-16-2011, 11:10 AM)JayneK Wrote: I don't see him saying that it is the goal of Modernists to destroy the Church.  He says that modernism is an error that if accepted will destroy the Church.  I agree.  I have spent a lot of time among liberals and Modernists.  In my experience, they are well-intentioned.  This does not take away from the wrongness of their beliefs or the importance of opposing them.


I will attempt this again................. Though they express astonishment themselves, no one can justly be surprised that We number such men among the enemies of the Church, if, leaving out of consideration the internal disposition of soul, of which God alone is the judge, he is acquainted with their tenets, their manner of speech, their conduct. Nor indeed will he err in accounting them the most pernicious of all the adversaries of the Church. For as We have said, they put their designs for her ruin into operation not from without but from within;

Here we have Pope St. Pius X explaining the very thing you are disputing, if not outright denying.

1) Modernists are the enemies of the Church - by their very nature, an enemy seeks to destroy it's adversary - in this case, the adversary of the modernist is the Church. This particular enemy shows no mercy except the advancement of it's goal. Agree or disagree?

For further education - enemies (modernists) seek to "put their designs for her ruin into operation not from without but from within". Modernism will not work any other way - it MUST be authorized from within. Think "Trojan Horse". The enemy, as you have already admitted, is within the hierarchy, as you said: I am not denying that there is modernism within the hierarchy.

(05-16-2011, 09:59 AM)JayneK Wrote: I am not denying that there is modernism within the hierarchy nor that this is a grave problem.  I just don't think that "reign" is the right word to use.  As far as I can tell, our positions are not all that different and the disagreement is primarily in what words best describe the problem.  If you were not so quick to dismiss me as a modernist for using different words, I think you would see that we have significant amounts of agreement.

Not so. You choose to believe - if I may be so bold as to place words into your mouth - that this is a "kinder, gentler form of modernism" - as if there were such a thing.

That definition above is akin to saying that there are some devils who don't care if they secure your soul - or that Our Blessed Mother does not really care about your soul............IOW - there is no such thing.

The very fact that the NO has *not* been abrogated proves that Modernism reigns within the hierarchy of Holy Mother the Church - can you understand that?
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Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by JayneK - 05-14-2011, 07:16 PM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by JayneK - 05-14-2011, 07:44 PM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by JayneK - 05-14-2011, 08:41 PM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by JayneK - 05-14-2011, 08:52 PM
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Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by Meg - 05-15-2011, 12:58 AM
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Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by JayneK - 05-15-2011, 07:50 AM
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Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by JayneK - 05-15-2011, 12:59 PM
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