Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples
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(05-16-2011, 12:04 PM)Stubborn Wrote:
(05-16-2011, 11:47 AM)JayneK Wrote: Here we have Pope St. Pius X supporting the point I was making. He said that we have to leave out the internal disposition of the soul of which God alone is the judge.  That means we cannot speak of their goals and motivations, only their stated  beliefs and actions.  And these latter are very wrong and destructive.  I completely agree with what he has written here, but not the implications you are drawing from it.

Yes, but the external achievements are present. The "implications" have not only come to fruition and manifested themselves, they've been the norm for the last 45 years - why do you deny this?

I am denying that you know the motives of the modernists.  I am denying that they are in control.  They have been far too influential but their power is waning now.

(05-16-2011, 12:04 PM)Stubborn Wrote:
(05-16-2011, 09:59 AM)JayneK Wrote: The words you place in my mouth do not represent my view.  I think that the modernism we face today is just as pernicious and dangerous as it has ever been.  The very fact that Summorum Pontificum was promulalgated shows that it does not reign.

Can you understand (not "believe") that the  Summorum Pontificum as offered is actually nothing new? That the same thing (tho worded differently) has actually been offered before?

IOW, "Accept the OF and we will grant the EF" ---which is the same as saying: "accept (what has proven itself as) the destruction of the faith and we will grant the promulgation of the true faith - so long as it's destruction is the ordinary form".

I see SP as a first step in restoring the the TLM to its rightful place.  I also see getting rid of the horrendous ICEL translation of the OF as a move in the right direction.  I think that things have turned around and are now getting better.  This does not make me an modernist.  It makes me an optimist.  Clearly you disagree with me and I may well turn out to be wrong in my assessment.  But optimism is not a heresy.  So stop claiming that my hope is a sign of modernism.  Hope happens to be a theological virtue.
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Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by JayneK - 05-14-2011, 07:16 PM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by JayneK - 05-14-2011, 07:44 PM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by JayneK - 05-14-2011, 08:41 PM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by JayneK - 05-14-2011, 08:52 PM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by JayneK - 05-14-2011, 09:35 PM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by JayneK - 05-14-2011, 09:37 PM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by salus - 05-14-2011, 10:14 PM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by Meg - 05-15-2011, 12:58 AM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by PeterII - 05-15-2011, 02:02 AM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by JayneK - 05-15-2011, 07:50 AM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by Meg - 05-15-2011, 10:12 AM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by Gerard - 05-15-2011, 10:17 AM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by Gerard - 05-15-2011, 10:22 AM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by Meg - 05-15-2011, 10:26 AM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by Meg - 05-15-2011, 10:29 AM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by Meg - 05-15-2011, 10:38 AM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by Meg - 05-15-2011, 11:10 AM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by Meg - 05-15-2011, 11:13 AM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by Meg - 05-15-2011, 11:17 AM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by Meg - 05-15-2011, 11:51 AM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by Meg - 05-15-2011, 12:43 PM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by JayneK - 05-15-2011, 12:59 PM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by Justin - 05-15-2011, 07:22 PM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by JayneK - 05-15-2011, 08:30 PM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by Justin - 05-15-2011, 08:42 PM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by JayneK - 05-15-2011, 08:49 PM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by JayneK - 05-15-2011, 08:50 PM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by JayneK - 05-15-2011, 08:54 PM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by PeterII - 05-16-2011, 12:21 AM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by Walty - 05-16-2011, 08:24 AM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by Walty - 05-16-2011, 08:27 AM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by Walty - 05-16-2011, 08:31 AM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by FHM310 - 05-16-2011, 08:40 AM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by JayneK - 05-16-2011, 08:54 AM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by JayneK - 05-16-2011, 09:22 AM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by JayneK - 05-16-2011, 09:59 AM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by JayneK - 05-16-2011, 11:10 AM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by JayneK - 05-16-2011, 11:47 AM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by JayneK - 05-16-2011, 12:37 PM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by Walty - 05-16-2011, 10:20 PM
Re: Bishop Williamson- Rotten Apples - by JayneK - 05-16-2011, 11:13 PM



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