Mary ever talk against contraception or abortion?
(05-28-2011, 09:02 PM)Scipio_a Wrote: Hardly the answer the OP was looking for...because while we assume it...others will not.  The question is more...Does Mary say anything directly about...?

See the problem with giving answers like this is that often people are wrong about what such general statements mean....the Fatima thing is a great example of this....where lots of folks have mistakenly taken the word fashions to mean anything they might not approve of as far as cloths....when in reality it is proably something entirely differnt.

The OP said:  "It occurs to me that I've never heard the Holy Mother mention the evils of contraception and abortion in any apparition/visitation/message" and that "I'm pro-life, anti contraception.  Don't get me wrong.  I'm not going anywhere with this, other than asking the question in the thread title"

If you are delving into the argumentum ad rem, and making an appeal to evidence and truth, you won't find it.  I don't think Our Lady, the Mother of the Creator of life, needed to go into a litany of whether contraception and abortion are evils.  Need she?  For redundancy's sake?  Her messages are empty words giving meaning to something else?

Errors of reasoning relying on the "meaning" of the words and sentences involved in arguments fall into "material fallacies."    Presupposing an answer that needs to be proven is known as "Begging the question" and/or a "circular argument."

One of the errors of Russia was abortion.  It was the first nation to legalize it.
(05-29-2011, 11:40 AM)Augstine Baker Wrote: One of the errors of Russia was abortion.  It was the first nation to legalize it.

Wow.  Didn't know they were the first.
(05-29-2011, 08:37 AM)alaric Wrote:
(05-28-2011, 10:51 PM)GottmitunsAlex Wrote:
(05-28-2011, 10:20 PM)alaric Wrote: I know it's not the answer to the OP, but in a way her whole life was an example of seeing through an almost unwanted or controversial pregnancy and see what a blessing the fruit of her womb became for the whole world in the end. The BVM whole role in the life,death,and Resurrection of Jesus is paramount in the pro-life message.

What better example is there?

Here,here! Very well written!
Remember also when Mary went to see her cousin Isabel, Mary was very, very happy of Isabel's pregnancy. She did not even worry that Isabel was at a very advanced age (at the time) to be pregnant.
Another example of Mary's Pro-Life stance.
One of the main differences between Catholics and protestants is that we Catholics aren't sola scritura, but by works also.
By Mary's deeds do we know she was super pro-life.
In addition to the story of The Visitation was the verse where St. John The Baptist "Leaped for joy" and was filled with the Holy Ghost. This verse always confirmed me in my belief that there was a baby in a mothers womb, not just a fetus, that was the use of language the pro-death people used years ago, that it wasn't really a life formed yet, just a bundle of cells and protoplasm so they could lessen the effect of the abortion of "not really killing" anything in terminating a pregnancy.

They (pro-death lobby) were so wrong.........Not a baby? Not a living being? just a "fetus"?

Wrong on all accountants.........! There was a baby in Elisabeth's womb, not a fetus, a person, his name was John the Baptist........Don't call it a "fetus"!

Fetuses don't leap for joy.
It is a term of development like infant, child, adult, etc. It is Latin for offspring.
(05-29-2011, 11:40 AM)Augstine Baker Wrote: One of the errors of Russia was abortion.  It was the first nation to legalize it.

I've read where the error (not errors) of Russia was the destruction of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

It was from this error that all the other errors were able to gain not only a foothold, but also strength - and finally law - "law of the land".

Anyone else heard of this?

(05-29-2011, 11:40 AM)Augstine Baker Wrote: One of the errors of Russia was abortion.  It was the first nation to legalize it.

Are you sure?  I thought it was Japan.
The error of dialectical materialism comprises many consequents.
Abortion is still technically illegal in Japan.
I know that many people have reservations about Garabandal but for those who have an interest in those alleged apparitions there was some mention of abortion to Conchita. I cannot recall exactly what was said but with time I might find it. I do not wish to initiate any Garabandal controversy here but for those who wish to pursue that subject there are loads of entries in the archives on this site and also on AQ.

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