Going to hell for rejecting vocation?
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(06-04-2011, 08:31 PM)newyorkcatholic Wrote:
(06-04-2011, 08:21 PM)wulfrano Wrote:
(06-04-2011, 08:08 PM)newyorkcatholic Wrote: You should not make any irrevocable decision (ordination or marriage) while you are in such a state of turmoil.

The suggestion to see a psychiatrist should not be seen as insulting or flippant.  Maybe not a psychiatrist, it's up to you ... but see someone like a Catholic counselor or a trusted priest who will help you.  Not help you make this decision.

Just to help you relax, and enjoy life appropriately.

There is sin and hell and apostasy, sure.  But Our Lord suffered, then rose from the dead.  We are in Ascentiontide.  We have been redeemed.  We have every reason to be happy.  Rejoice!

I think to emerge from these emotional issues with some stability -- *this* is your current "vocation."  After that, you will see more clearly.


I hear that the highest percentage of suicides among professional people is that of psychiatrists.  These head-shrinkers need a dozen psychiatrists themselves and so on.  St. Dominic Savio all he has to do is pray the Rosary everyday until he is finally cured and made to enjoy life.  Be it as a single man, a married man or a lay catholic missionry.

It's nice that you hear that, please provide sources!  It is higher I think than other medical fields, probably because people with mental illness who can get through medical school are more likely to be interested in  helping others with mental illness, just like guys who like sports are more likely to go into sports medicine and someone who overcame a childhood disease might then want to go into pediatrics.

But that's besides the point, note that I suggested a counselor or a trusted priest.  But the OP doesn't need more suggestions about prayer and religion -- he is reading and thinking enough about it.  He needs help relaxing. 

To the OP: maybe you could plan relaxing fun outings with male friends.  Get involved in your parish, and in ways that won't exacerbate your problem (e.g. volunteer to help clean / paint or something like that).  Enjoy God's creation.


Another member of this Forum escaped the clutches of Freemasonry thanks to the Virgin  and to reading the book "Devotion to the Virgin Mary" written by St. Louis Grignon de Monfort.  I don't see why our troubled friend cannot escape the clutches of doom and despair by doing the same thing.
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#72
(06-04-2011, 08:38 PM)WhollyRoaminCatholic Wrote:
(06-04-2011, 08:21 PM)wulfrano Wrote:
(06-04-2011, 08:08 PM)newyorkcatholic Wrote: You should not make any irrevocable decision (ordination or marriage) while you are in such a state of turmoil.

The suggestion to see a psychiatrist should not be seen as insulting or flippant.  Maybe not a psychiatrist, it's up to you ... but see someone like a Catholic counselor or a trusted priest who will help you.  Not help you make this decision.

Just to help you relax, and enjoy life appropriately.

There is sin and hell and apostasy, sure.  But Our Lord suffered, then rose from the dead.  We are in Ascentiontide.  We have been redeemed.  We have every reason to be happy.  Rejoice!

I think to emerge from these emotional issues with some stability -- *this* is your current "vocation."  After that, you will see more clearly.


I hear that the highest percentage of suicides among professional people is that of psychiatrists.  These head-shrinkers need a dozen psychiatrists themselves and so on.  St. Dominic Savio all he has to do is pray the Rosary everyday until he is finally cured and made to enjoy life.  Be it as a single man, a married man or a lay catholic missionry.

wulfrano, you are not giving good advice.


@ WRC.  The psychiatrists I know are atheists... all of them!  What good on earth can you expect from them ?  They always turn their patients into  psycho-pill swallowing egomaniacs!
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#73
Mmmhmm.
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#74
(06-04-2011, 07:13 PM)wulfrano Wrote:
(06-03-2011, 11:30 PM)st.dominic_savio Wrote:
(06-03-2011, 10:03 PM)The_Harlequin_King Wrote: I agree with your dad: experience in the world is a good thing if you want to be a priest working in the world. Even if you disagree, you should give your father the benefit of the doubt. If you actually said his input was "ridiculous", I think he would have been in his rights to slap you across the face.

Furthermore, if you were a priest giving me advice, and I had found out you became a priest because of fear, I wouldn't take you seriously at all. A good priest in m estimation is manly and fearless as a soldier, not a servile coward. And if I were a non-Christian looking into a new faith, I wouldn't be interested in "your god" at all.

Anyway, from your posts you sound like an insolent kid who's puffed up with spiritual pride and  thinks he's wiser than his parents. I could be wrong or overly harsh, because it reminds me of how I used to talk to my mom (who's a Protestant). If I'm right in my assessment, then for the love of God, calm down, do less talking and more listening with regard to parents. Even if they're wrong. You won't change their minds by arguing, only by deeds.

Ya that could be very well a good description of myself. I am not happy I am miserable right now when thinking about God and just how easy it is to fall into mortal sin. I am stone faced all the time in mass and when I think about God. I feel guilty about doing basic liesure activities like basketball and going to a movie. I am definetly not attracting any converts by my cheerfullness. The last week or so I have had suicidal thoughts and have contemplated and just giving up altogether. I hold a lot of anger against the church for mandatory clerical celibacy, I feel its a double standard to deny heterosexual married men the priesthood but not polygraphy men to make sure homosexually attracted men dont enter the priesthood. Whats the point of me giving up sex/wife/kids if I am surrounded by a few gay priests who didnt make the same sacrifice I did? They would absolutely disgust me.  Probably a better chance I may be called to be a monk and not a priest with all this interior sadness/despair/depression. Right now its a beautiful day in my city and I cant even smile driving because I feel guilty about how the world is so messed up and the conciliar church is dragging souls to hell. Now I know how Francisco Marto felt

I know how you feel.  You should withdraw from the Conciliar Church and her tentacles altogether and take refuge in catholic  books published before 1958.  Like you say, because of her apostasy, "she is dragging souls to hell".  God loves you very much and you will overcome. 

I agree with this completely.  Avoid anything written by Father Cekada and wing nut sedes like that written in the past 40 years.  They're nothing but poison. :tiphat:
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#75
(06-04-2011, 08:59 PM)wulfrano Wrote:
(06-04-2011, 08:38 PM)WhollyRoaminCatholic Wrote:
(06-04-2011, 08:21 PM)wulfrano Wrote:
(06-04-2011, 08:08 PM)newyorkcatholic Wrote: You should not make any irrevocable decision (ordination or marriage) while you are in such a state of turmoil.

The suggestion to see a psychiatrist should not be seen as insulting or flippant.  Maybe not a psychiatrist, it's up to you ... but see someone like a Catholic counselor or a trusted priest who will help you.  Not help you make this decision.

Just to help you relax, and enjoy life appropriately.

There is sin and hell and apostasy, sure.  But Our Lord suffered, then rose from the dead.  We are in Ascentiontide.  We have been redeemed.  We have every reason to be happy.  Rejoice!

I think to emerge from these emotional issues with some stability -- *this* is your current "vocation."  After that, you will see more clearly.


I hear that the highest percentage of suicides among professional people is that of psychiatrists.  These head-shrinkers need a dozen psychiatrists themselves and so on.  St. Dominic Savio all he has to do is pray the Rosary everyday until he is finally cured and made to enjoy life.  Be it as a single man, a married man or a lay catholic missionry.

wulfrano, you are not giving good advice.


@ WRC.  The psychiatrists I know are atheists... all of them!  What good on earth can you expect from them ?  They always turn their patients into  psycho-pill swallowing egomaniacs!

You sure do enjoy making blanket statements.  All seminaries are cess pools, all psychiatrists are atheists.  Speaking of psychos.  Heh...  :pazzo:
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#76
(06-04-2011, 09:04 PM)DrBombay Wrote: You sure do enjoy making blanket statements.  All seminaries are cess pools, all psychiatrists are atheists.  Speaking of psychos.  Heh...   :pazzo:

It is true though, most seminaries are far fallen in the Faith and most psychologists have fully eliminated God from their practice; or at least deformed the concept.
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(06-04-2011, 09:04 PM)DrBombay Wrote:
(06-04-2011, 08:59 PM)wulfrano Wrote:
(06-04-2011, 08:38 PM)WhollyRoaminCatholic Wrote:
(06-04-2011, 08:21 PM)wulfrano Wrote:
(06-04-2011, 08:08 PM)newyorkcatholic Wrote: You should not make any irrevocable decision (ordination or marriage) while you are in such a state of turmoil.

The suggestion to see a psychiatrist should not be seen as insulting or flippant.  Maybe not a psychiatrist, it's up to you ... but see someone like a Catholic counselor or a trusted priest who will help you.  Not help you make this decision.

Just to help you relax, and enjoy life appropriately.

There is sin and hell and apostasy, sure.  But Our Lord suffered, then rose from the dead.  We are in Ascentiontide.  We have been redeemed.  We have every reason to be happy.  Rejoice!

I think to emerge from these emotional issues with some stability -- *this* is your current "vocation."  After that, you will see more clearly.


I hear that the highest percentage of suicides among professional people is that of psychiatrists.  These head-shrinkers need a dozen psychiatrists themselves and so on.  St. Dominic Savio all he has to do is pray the Rosary everyday until he is finally cured and made to enjoy life.  Be it as a single man, a married man or a lay catholic missionry.

wulfrano, you are not giving good advice.


@ WRC.  The psychiatrists I know are atheists... all of them!  What good on earth can you expect from them ?  They always turn their patients into  psycho-pill swallowing egomaniacs!

You sure do enjoy making blanket statements.  All seminaries are cess pools, all psychiatrists are atheists.  Speaking of psychos.  Heh...   :pazzo:

@ Dr.Bombay  :pazzo:

Tell me then how many psychiatrists  :pazzo: do you see kneeling before the Holy Virgin and praying the daily Rosary to her glory?

Tell me then how many seminaries do you know where there is not a single homosexual  :pazzo: nor a single paedophile  :pazzo: nor a single bisexual  :pazzo: nor a single fornicator  :pazzo: nor a single masturbator, :pazzo:  nor a single pornovideo collector? :pazzo:

Did you know that many american diocesis are going broke over lawsuit claims on account of predator priests  :pazzo: :pazzo: :pazzo:formed in such seminaries?

If I had a son I would never send him to any seminary of the Conciliar Church, or of the Lebvre Church or of the Thuc Church.  By the time you discover they are a cesspool... it's too late.  Your son is by then already corrupted!

I don't trust a single one of them.  That's the reason for my blanket statement: "They are all cesspools."

I you don't believe me... go and become a seminarian in any those cesspools and then we'lltalk again.

And this is in the material sense.  In the spiritual sense they all are cesspools of false doctrine.  That also is the reason for my blanket statement.
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#78
(06-04-2011, 10:03 PM)wulfrano Wrote: Tell me then how many seminaries do you know where there is not a single homosexual  :pazzo: nor a single paedophile  :pazzo: nor a single bisexual  :pazzo: nor a single fornicator  :pazzo: nor a single masturbator, :pazzo:  nor a single pornovideo collector? :pazzo:

To be honest, it would've been extremely hard to find a seminary without a single fornicator or masturbator at any time in the entire history of seminaries.
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(06-04-2011, 10:07 PM)The_Harlequin_King Wrote:
(06-04-2011, 10:03 PM)wulfrano Wrote: Tell me then how many seminaries do you know where there is not a single homosexual  :pazzo: nor a single paedophile  :pazzo: nor a single bisexual  :pazzo: nor a single fornicator  :pazzo: nor a single masturbator, :pazzo:  nor a single pornovideo collector? :pazzo:

To be honest, it would've been extremely hard to find a seminary without a single fornicator or masturbator at any time in the entire history of seminaries.

That is exactly the point.  If in the times of the true grace-giving-sacraments there were such sinners.... imagine now.... in these times... when there are no longer any grace-giving sacraments.... what we now have in the cesspools... and really do have... just read the daily newspaper....

@ Dr. Bombay  :pazzo: 

Chastity is no longer a reality in any seminary because of the non-grace giving bastard sacraments.  That is the fundamental reason for my blanket statement. 
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#80
(06-04-2011, 10:03 PM)wulfrano Wrote: Tell me then how many psychiatrists  :pazzo: do you see kneeling before the Holy Virgin and praying the daily Rosary to her glory?

We have a psychiatry resident here on FE.  Add to that one of my good friends who is a devout Catholic applying to psychiatry for her residency...so 2.  Heck I'm even considering it...well, considering.  Point is, they exist.  Far outnumbered probably, but then that would apply to every specialty.
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