An appeal to City Smurf and others like him.
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(06-07-2011, 06:34 PM)NECatholic Wrote: Sure,  we definitely don't discuss sedevacantism ever on FE (yeah right)  ::)
Even so, the few digs towards "sedes" I've seen are really uncalled for.

Forum Rules Wrote:Sedevacantists are welcome, but are not allowed to promote sedevacantism or post in such a way that invites debate about whether, in fact, the sede is vacante. 

So, not much to discuss...
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(06-07-2011, 11:48 AM)Thomas58 Wrote: Without Apb Lefebvre and the SSPX, those who condemn them would be left with the Novus Ordo balloon and clown “Masses”, with its women lectors and alter girls. You would have to stand in line to receive your Novus Ordo cookie in the hand from the Wal-Mart check out lady. Fr. Bob would give his stand up comedy routine/homily while walking around the Protestant supper table. It would all be a guitar strumming, hand holding, liturgical dancing, hoot-nanny of a koombyaa time under the big tent Novus Ordo.

Or not.

Here we go again with the "the SSPX is solely responsible for the preservation of the TLM!!!!" nonsense. It's tiresome.

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(06-07-2011, 06:34 PM)NECatholic Wrote: Even so, the few digs towards "sedes" I've seen are really uncalled for.

I agree. Most posters talk about sedevacantists as though they are worse than lepers.
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(06-07-2011, 08:49 PM)Jenn Wrote: Or not.
Here we go again with the "the SSPX is solely responsible for the preservation of the TLM!!!!" nonsense. It's tiresome.
Seriously, I figured out what the bee in your bonnet is about this.  You keep confusing the "essential" contribution of Archbishop LeFebvre with a misperception that people believe he was exclusive in his efforts. 
There would have continued to be tradition without Archbishop LeFebvre, God would have insured that.  But there was Archbishop LeFebvre just like there was St. Athanasius, and his influence was felt everywhere. It was not "necessary" or "exclusive" but as history rolled out, it turned out his contribution was "essential." 
 
An analogy in music would be that if Brahms had never existed, Western music would not be essentially any different because Brahms' sphere of influence was not groundbreaking. 
Without Franz Liszt though, we would still have music but  Western Music would not have developed in any way like it did.  Without Franz Liszt there would have been no support for Chopin or Schumann, no Russian school of Romantics, no Tchaikovsky, Rachmaninoff, no French School of Ravel and Debussy and Faure,  no preservation of tradition in the sense of performer as someone handing on tradition vs. composer performers promoting their own works exclusively by passing on Bach, Scarlatti, Beethoven, Weber to later generations. 

To claim that people say the SSPX is solely responsible for the preservation of the TLM is a strawman attack.  The SSPX is essential to the preservation of the TLM and a case can be argued that LeFebvre by being so prominent in his resistance and so alone among bishops, that he became a more powerful symbol.  And no one saying a TLM has never heard of Archbishop LeFebvre and not had an opinion on him.  Without LeFebvre you might have a TLM, or not , if it were possible to remove him from history, a gap so large would have effected everybody with a TLM today. .  But we did have LeFebvre and his influence cannot be underestimated. 
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