Candle drama
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(06-07-2011, 02:12 PM)Melita Wrote: To be fair, he also isn't too keen on the Sacred Heart devotion and almost anything else that isn't drawing directly and exclusively from Liturgy. A lot of what he says is interesting, but the candle attack was the last straw.

And yep, I do think that anybody who rejects Marian devotions (especially the rosary and Lourdes/Fatima, both of which he's characterised as "hysterical apparitions") is in a troubled place.


HHHhhhmmmm, sounds like one deeply entrenched in the error of the NO................avoid the guy from now on - he is a nitwit.
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(06-07-2011, 01:55 PM)Melita Wrote: The same email also said that praying the rosary was "rustic". 


A young man entered the coach of a train in a small university town in France. The ink was scarcely dry on his newly acquired diploma.

As the train sped off for Paris, he took his seat in the rear of the coach near an elderly gentleman who seemed to be dozing. As the train suddenly lurched, a string of rosary beads fell from his hand. The young man picked up the rosary and handed it to the elderly gentleman with the remark, "I presume you are praying, sir?"

"You are right. I was praying."

"I am surprised," said the young fellow, "that in this day and age there is someone who is still so benighted and superstitious. Our professors at the university do not believe in such things," and he proceeded to "enlighten" his elderly fellow-passenger.

The old man expressed surprise and amazement.

"Yes," continued the young man, "today enlightened people don't believe in such nonsense."

"You don't say!" replied the old man.

"Yes, sir, and if you wish, I can send you some illuminating books."

"Very well," said the old man, preparing to leave as the train came to a stop. "You may send them to this address." He handed the young man a card, which read:


Louis Pasteur
Director of the Institute of Scientific Research
Paris

[Key To Happiness, October 1986]
Yes, Louis Pasteur (1822-1895) an exceedingly great scientist, a devout Catholic, a Frenchman, a father...one of the great heroes of humanity.

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#23
Thanks for the CE article, Vetus.  It's amazing what people start to be almost dogmatic about once they've rejected tradition.  I suppose there's some sort of vacuum that needs to be filled.

I still don't see why he was so upset about these candles though :laughing:
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#24
Melita,

Perhaps he is sweet on you and trying to get a rise out of you, like a little boy pulling a little girl's pigtails?
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(06-07-2011, 04:46 PM)cgraye Wrote: Melita,

Perhaps he is sweet on you and trying to get a rise out of you, like a little boy pulling a little girl's pigtails?

If so, picking holes in liturgical practices is the most bizarre way he could have gone about doing it (and I have never worn my hair in pigtails and never intend to)  ;D
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(06-07-2011, 05:56 PM)Melita Wrote: and I have never worn my hair in pigtails and never intend to

Too bad.

It's very girly.
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Stubborn Wrote:HHHhhhmmmm, sounds like one deeply entrenched in the error of the NO................avoid the guy from now on - he is a nitwit.

Sounds more like a variety of unbalanced ultra-trad rather than a modernist. He may be referencing the pre-Reformation practice of only having two candles on the altar at most. Someone mentioned Patricius' blog on here earlier. He would have the same sorts of opinions about Marian apparitions, but he violently rejects any missal before 1955, and considers Pius X to be a modernist.


I don't think having six candles on the altar is wrong, but I believe it's preferable to place them on a reredos behind the altar, rather than on the altar itself. The less "stuff" on the surface of the altar, the better, because it's a symbol of Christ Himself.
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#28
(06-07-2011, 01:08 PM)Melita Wrote: I've just been sent an angry email by a "friend" about a painting of mine. Long story short - he says that, amongst other things, the use of six candlesticks ("and a crucifix") on the altar during mass is an abuse, and I'm "perpetuating" that by depicting it. The picture was intended to be hung (with others) at an exhibition in our local parish community centre. What is his problem? Or is it my problem  ???

LOL what??

BTW, can you post a pic of the painting? I'd like to see it.
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(06-07-2011, 02:21 PM)newyorkcatholic Wrote:
(06-07-2011, 02:16 PM)Melita Wrote:
(06-07-2011, 02:15 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote:
(06-07-2011, 02:12 PM)Melita Wrote:
(06-07-2011, 02:09 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote:
(06-07-2011, 01:55 PM)Melita Wrote: The same email also said that praying the rosary was "rustic".

Despising Marian devotions is a sure sign of a heretical mindset.

To be fair, he also isn't too keen on the Sacred Heart devotion and almost anything else that isn't drawing directly and exclusively from Liturgy. A lot of what he says is interesting, but the candle attack was the last straw.

And yep, I do think that anybody who rejects Marian devotions (especially the rosary and Lourdes/Fatima, both of which he's characterised as "hysterical apparitions") is in a troubled place.

The best thing now is to pray for him.

He's another sad example of Modern Catholicism that has run its course.

The thing is, he'd call us Modernists for practicing these devotions!

Anyway, prayer seems to be the only option right now. I'm still quite angry.

This guy sounds like Patricius from Liturgiae Causa.  He has been recently ranting about Lourdes.

Haha Patricius is such a whacko. I read his blog for laughs.
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#30
Check out the book I reprinted:  CANDLES IN THE ROMAN RITE:  http://romanitaspress.com/candles_in_the_roman_rite.htm.
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