Why does everyone blame God when bad things happen?
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(06-16-2011, 12:26 AM)wulfrano Wrote:
(06-15-2011, 11:29 PM)Lydia Grace Wrote:
(06-15-2011, 09:10 PM)wulfrano Wrote:
(06-15-2011, 02:38 PM)Lydia Grace Wrote:
(06-11-2011, 10:17 PM)mistman Wrote: A married couple has one child after years of barrenness and finally a miracle happens. At 6 years of age, the child becomes ill with leukemia and dies. People say things like "the Lord works in mysterious ways" when heartbreak like this occurs and sometimes, I think it is more cruel than helpful. I want people to come back to the Catholic Church, not turn them away.

It seems that the omnipotence of God could acknowledge a fierce struggle between good and evil in the middle but eventual victory for Jesus Christ in the end. Can't demons hurt people too, by taking people's children away or possession? Why does everyone blame God when hurtful things happen?

I've been told my views on this aren't correct by other Catholics but I don't understand why. I thought we fought against dark powers from above and that demons hate human beings, especially Catholics, because God chose to become one of us.

We have to remember that when a child dies it is not some kind of punishment from God for something the child or the parents have done. Death is a result of sin, and everyone will die. My brother died when he was 1 and there were certain relatives who said something about how my parents must have done something wrong that God was doing this to them.

If a demon could cause a child to die at a very young age he would just be hurting himself. Children who have not yet reached the age of reason cannot sin, and children who have reached the age of reason are protected in a special way from committing mortal sins. Either way, that child is probably going to heaven, and from there he can pray for the rest of his family. :)

I think the reason people get angry at God after loosing a loved-one is that their loss makes them realize their human nature. When they realize that humans can't control everything, like so many people want to, they get angry. They turn their anger towards God because God is the only one who is all powerful, and they associate their friend's/ child's death with a lack of help from God.
Another reason that could be true is that maybe they are not close to God or do not pray often. They realize that they need to, but do not know how. This could easily result in frustration and turn to anger towards God. When people get angry, there is usually a deeper reason that they do not think about.


This is so insane.  No wonder God told Noah that He was sorry to have created humans.  They are not only stupid but ungrateful.

How is that stupid or ungrateful? 

Also, don't you think it's pretty mean to say it's no wonder God was sorry to have created humans...it seems to be a direct response to this post, implying that what I said was stupid and ungrateful, or even that I'm part of the reason God was sorry for creating humans. I hope I'm interpreting wrongly.  :)

I am not referring to you.  I am referring to those people who have an attitude towards God that is not complete love, complete trust and  complete gratitude. Anything that is not that is unthinkable.

Ok, good :) I thought of that after I went to bed lol.
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#42
We praise ourselves when things are going great.

When shit hits the fan, we say that God turned on the power.

Simple as that.
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#43
From the National Post, 16 June 2011

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011...being-god/

By George Jonas

We’re urged to dream big, and I always follow instructions. The other night I dreamt that I was God. I’m neither religious nor megalomaniacal, as far as I know — at least, no doctor ever hinted at it. Overweight, yes; megalomaniacal, no. But there I was, reaching for the top.

It was a bit weird, even for a dream. I sat in a celestial electronic office, going through my mail.

My mail was piles and piles of prayers whirling around inside a transparent cylinder, like numbers in a lottery machine. They were written in tongues of every kind, addressed variously to Jahveh, God, Allah, Zeus and Zoroaster. It seemed all very ecumenical.
I was disappointed, though. Frankly, the prayers were embarrassing. Most supplicants seemed like a royal pain in the keester.

Things look different from the other side, I suppose, but viewed from God’s vantage point, human beings aren’t very attractive. It’s not for God to complain about Adam & Rib, having created them, but really, what a shoddy design.

I’m not talking about supplicants praying for long life, health, money, whatever. If people haven’t got something they need and don’t know how to get it, they’ve no choice but to pray for it. Mendicants may not be majestic, but they’re human.

It isn’t mendicants who embarrass me as God; it’s people who pray for faith. Specifically, those who demand to see my ID, so to speak. These good folk want to believe, but would feel silly if they believed in a God who didn’t exist — why, Christopher Hitchens might mock them — so they ask for a sign.

It isn’t much, they say. A sign should be a breeze for a deity. No need to lay out anything new and expensive. Any old trick will do. Just part the Red Sea again, God, and whoosh! We’ll be happy.

There they were in my dream, the aspiring faithful, demanding documentation. Their fervent prayers for a sign were scrawled on postcards, stitched into animal skins, carved on stone tablets, written on napkins, or left in the crevices of the Wailing Wall of Jerusalem. Hey, God, we want to believe. Let’s see your birth certificate!

Oh, ye of little everything. You want to see my ID? How about the universe?

A sign, you say? Will a galaxy do? How about gamma rays, the structure of the eye, E=MC2, a black hole, a pollinating insect, a homing pigeon or a Bach fugue? How about the Milky Way or the Taj Mahal? How about conscience? Consciousness? How about feeling the need to believe?

A “sign” of God’s existence is existence itself. If the macrocosm of galactic systems and the microcosm of amino acids fail to convince a skeptic, what would? A tweet from God? “Hi, my name is God; have you had breakfast this morning?”

People who wait for a sign usually mean a “miracle” — in other words, a suspension of a law of nature. Why would a suspended law confirm the existence of God better than an operating law? Search me.

In matters of commerce, it is cheques honoured, not cheques bounced, that indicate a sufficiency of funds. Waiting for a miracle from which to extrapolate God’s existence is like waiting for a dishonoured cheque from which to extrapolate the existence of a bank account on which cheques are being drawn and cashed every day.

Bizarre — but skeptics aren’t the worst offenders. Other faith-seekers impress me even less. They’re the imperfect moralists who would believe in me if only I stopped them from doing evil things.

“Where were you in Hiroshima, God?”

“I wasn’t in Hiroshima. I was in Heaven. You were in Hiroshima.”

“Aren’t you supposed to be omnipresent? I never saw you in Auschwitz, the gulag, Dresden or Katyn Forest …”

“You never looked for me. You were busy doing evil things.”

“Why did you let me?”

“Has it occurred to you that you might have acted without my permission?”

But, no, that never occurs to the wannabe faithful. If human beings do something they don’t like in retrospect, it’s because either (1) I don’t exist, or (2) I’m not All-Powerful or (3) I’m not All-Good.

Men doing fiendish things used to prove the existence of evil. Now it casts doubt on the existence of God. Once I punished men for being bad; now men punish me for it. “If we’re bad, God, you don’t exist.” Talk about gall.

Yet prayers keep coming. They pop up as computer printouts, text messages, data links. They come as three dots for S in Morse, three dashes for O and three dots for S again. Save Our Souls. People sending it usually mean Save Our Bodies — but you can’t very well send SOB to God.

“Requests, all of them,” I say to my co-pilot, before waking up. “What happened to thanksgiving?”

My celestial office has become a glass cockpit, very state-of-the art, hurtling through the sky. A young Middle Eastern looking man is sitting in the starboard seat.

“Believe it or not, Eli,” he says, “being God used to be a dream job.”

National Post

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#44
(06-16-2011, 10:42 AM)Lydia Grace Wrote:
(06-16-2011, 12:26 AM)wulfrano Wrote:
(06-15-2011, 11:29 PM)Lydia Grace Wrote:
(06-15-2011, 09:10 PM)wulfrano Wrote:
(06-15-2011, 02:38 PM)Lydia Grace Wrote:
(06-11-2011, 10:17 PM)mistman Wrote: A married couple has one child after years of barrenness and finally a miracle happens. At 6 years of age, the child becomes ill with leukemia and dies. People say things like "the Lord works in mysterious ways" when heartbreak like this occurs and sometimes, I think it is more cruel than helpful. I want people to come back to the Catholic Church, not turn them away.

It seems that the omnipotence of God could acknowledge a fierce struggle between good and evil in the middle but eventual victory for Jesus Christ in the end. Can't demons hurt people too, by taking people's children away or possession? Why does everyone blame God when hurtful things happen?

I've been told my views on this aren't correct by other Catholics but I don't understand why. I thought we fought against dark powers from above and that demons hate human beings, especially Catholics, because God chose to become one of us.

We have to remember that when a child dies it is not some kind of punishment from God for something the child or the parents have done. Death is a result of sin, and everyone will die. My brother died when he was 1 and there were certain relatives who said something about how my parents must have done something wrong that God was doing this to them.

If a demon could cause a child to die at a very young age he would just be hurting himself. Children who have not yet reached the age of reason cannot sin, and children who have reached the age of reason are protected in a special way from committing mortal sins. Either way, that child is probably going to heaven, and from there he can pray for the rest of his family. :)

I think the reason people get angry at God after loosing a loved-one is that their loss makes them realize their human nature. When they realize that humans can't control everything, like so many people want to, they get angry. They turn their anger towards God because God is the only one who is all powerful, and they associate their friend's/ child's death with a lack of help from God.
Another reason that could be true is that maybe they are not close to God or do not pray often. They realize that they need to, but do not know how. This could easily result in frustration and turn to anger towards God. When people get angry, there is usually a deeper reason that they do not think about.


This is so insane.  No wonder God told Noah that He was sorry to have created humans.  They are not only stupid but ungrateful.

How is that stupid or ungrateful? 

Also, don't you think it's pretty mean to say it's no wonder God was sorry to have created humans...it seems to be a direct response to this post, implying that what I said was stupid and ungrateful, or even that I'm part of the reason God was sorry for creating humans. I hope I'm interpreting wrongly.  :)

I am not referring to you.  I am referring to those people who have an attitude towards God that is not complete love, complete trust and  complete gratitude. Anything that is not that is unthinkable.

Ok, good :) I thought of that after I went to bed lol.


Dear Lydia... your name tells it all... you love the Lord dearly.
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#45
(06-16-2011, 10:09 PM)wulfrano Wrote:
(06-16-2011, 10:42 AM)Lydia Grace Wrote:
(06-16-2011, 12:26 AM)wulfrano Wrote:
(06-15-2011, 11:29 PM)Lydia Grace Wrote:
(06-15-2011, 09:10 PM)wulfrano Wrote:
(06-15-2011, 02:38 PM)Lydia Grace Wrote:
(06-11-2011, 10:17 PM)mistman Wrote: A married couple has one child after years of barrenness and finally a miracle happens. At 6 years of age, the child becomes ill with leukemia and dies. People say things like "the Lord works in mysterious ways" when heartbreak like this occurs and sometimes, I think it is more cruel than helpful. I want people to come back to the Catholic Church, not turn them away.

It seems that the omnipotence of God could acknowledge a fierce struggle between good and evil in the middle but eventual victory for Jesus Christ in the end. Can't demons hurt people too, by taking people's children away or possession? Why does everyone blame God when hurtful things happen?

I've been told my views on this aren't correct by other Catholics but I don't understand why. I thought we fought against dark powers from above and that demons hate human beings, especially Catholics, because God chose to become one of us.

We have to remember that when a child dies it is not some kind of punishment from God for something the child or the parents have done. Death is a result of sin, and everyone will die. My brother died when he was 1 and there were certain relatives who said something about how my parents must have done something wrong that God was doing this to them.

If a demon could cause a child to die at a very young age he would just be hurting himself. Children who have not yet reached the age of reason cannot sin, and children who have reached the age of reason are protected in a special way from committing mortal sins. Either way, that child is probably going to heaven, and from there he can pray for the rest of his family. :)

I think the reason people get angry at God after loosing a loved-one is that their loss makes them realize their human nature. When they realize that humans can't control everything, like so many people want to, they get angry. They turn their anger towards God because God is the only one who is all powerful, and they associate their friend's/ child's death with a lack of help from God.
Another reason that could be true is that maybe they are not close to God or do not pray often. They realize that they need to, but do not know how. This could easily result in frustration and turn to anger towards God. When people get angry, there is usually a deeper reason that they do not think about.


This is so insane.  No wonder God told Noah that He was sorry to have created humans.  They are not only stupid but ungrateful.

How is that stupid or ungrateful? 

Also, don't you think it's pretty mean to say it's no wonder God was sorry to have created humans...it seems to be a direct response to this post, implying that what I said was stupid and ungrateful, or even that I'm part of the reason God was sorry for creating humans. I hope I'm interpreting wrongly.  :)

I am not referring to you.  I am referring to those people who have an attitude towards God that is not complete love, complete trust and  complete gratitude. Anything that is not that is unthinkable.

Ok, good :) I thought of that after I went to bed lol.


Dear Lydia... your name tells it all... you love the Lord dearly.

Aww, thanks :)
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#46
(06-18-2011, 12:18 AM)Lydia Grace Wrote:
(06-16-2011, 10:09 PM)wulfrano Wrote:
(06-16-2011, 10:42 AM)Lydia Grace Wrote:
(06-16-2011, 12:26 AM)wulfrano Wrote:
(06-15-2011, 11:29 PM)Lydia Grace Wrote:
(06-15-2011, 09:10 PM)wulfrano Wrote:
(06-15-2011, 02:38 PM)Lydia Grace Wrote:
(06-11-2011, 10:17 PM)mistman Wrote: A married couple has one child after years of barrenness and finally a miracle happens. At 6 years of age, the child becomes ill with leukemia and dies. People say things like "the Lord works in mysterious ways" when heartbreak like this occurs and sometimes, I think it is more cruel than helpful. I want people to come back to the Catholic Church, not turn them away.

It seems that the omnipotence of God could acknowledge a fierce struggle between good and evil in the middle but eventual victory for Jesus Christ in the end. Can't demons hurt people too, by taking people's children away or possession? Why does everyone blame God when hurtful things happen?

I've been told my views on this aren't correct by other Catholics but I don't understand why. I thought we fought against dark powers from above and that demons hate human beings, especially Catholics, because God chose to become one of us.

We have to remember that when a child dies it is not some kind of punishment from God for something the child or the parents have done. Death is a result of sin, and everyone will die. My brother died when he was 1 and there were certain relatives who said something about how my parents must have done something wrong that God was doing this to them.

If a demon could cause a child to die at a very young age he would just be hurting himself. Children who have not yet reached the age of reason cannot sin, and children who have reached the age of reason are protected in a special way from committing mortal sins. Either way, that child is probably going to heaven, and from there he can pray for the rest of his family. :)

I think the reason people get angry at God after loosing a loved-one is that their loss makes them realize their human nature. When they realize that humans can't control everything, like so many people want to, they get angry. They turn their anger towards God because God is the only one who is all powerful, and they associate their friend's/ child's death with a lack of help from God.
Another reason that could be true is that maybe they are not close to God or do not pray often. They realize that they need to, but do not know how. This could easily result in frustration and turn to anger towards God. When people get angry, there is usually a deeper reason that they do not think about.


This is so insane.  No wonder God told Noah that He was sorry to have created humans.  They are not only stupid but ungrateful.

How is that stupid or ungrateful? 

Also, don't you think it's pretty mean to say it's no wonder God was sorry to have created humans...it seems to be a direct response to this post, implying that what I said was stupid and ungrateful, or even that I'm part of the reason God was sorry for creating humans. I hope I'm interpreting wrongly.  :)

I am not referring to you.  I am referring to those people who have an attitude towards God that is not complete love, complete trust and  complete gratitude. Anything that is not that is unthinkable.

Ok, good :) I thought of that after I went to bed lol.


Dear Lydia... your name tells it all... you love the Lord dearly.

Aww, thanks :)

And the Lord loves you infinitely...
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#47
This opinion is a mistake. All those who die in original sin ONLY descend to hell where they are punished. That is the solemn teaching of the Catholic church, at the ecumenical council of Florence by Pope Eugene IV in the Papal Bull "Cantate Domino."

Only babies and the mentally handicapped die in original sin alone. SOrry to be a wet blanket.
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#48
How can a child sin who does not yet have reason?
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#49
And wouldn't they be more free of sin since the original sin was wiped away at baptism and then they haven't sinned since then?
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(06-18-2011, 12:50 AM)Gregory I Wrote: This opinion is a mistake. All those who die in original sin ONLY descend to hell where they are punished. That is the solemn teaching of the Catholic church, at the ecumenical council of Florence by Pope Eugene IV in the Papal Bull "Cantate Domino."

Only babies and the mentally handicapped die in original sin alone. SOrry to be a wet blanket.

I insist on the existence of Limbo where babies and mentally handicapped are .  Punishment for original sin only is simply being deprived of the sight of God.  Other than that, they are in a state of purely natural happiness and are visited frequently by Our Lord (as was Adam), Our Lady, the Angels and the Saints.
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