Why the Mass in Latin?
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(06-12-2011, 08:45 PM)Petertherock Wrote: 1. Latin was the language used by St. Peter when he first said Mass at Rome. It was the language in which that Prince of the Apostles drew up the Liturgy which, together with the knowledge of the Gospel, he or his successors the Popes imparted to the different peoples of Italy, France, Belgium, Spain, Portugal, England, Ireland, Scotland, Germany, Hungary, and Poland.

I don't doubt that St. Peter's first Mass at Rome was said in Latin at all.  Latin is similar to both Gaelic and Greek.

Contrary to popular modern belief the Gaelic speaking people of Europe would have had to understand Latin because there are many similarities between Latin and Gaelic.  Old Irish, dating from the sixth century, used the Latin alphabet.  Gaelic is now recognize as an Indo-European language but in reality Gaelic is one of the oldest languages on the face of the planet.  The Galacians from the Bible were Celtic Gaelic speaking people.  A form of Gaelic was spoken in what is now called the country of Turkey up until the 14th century.  The Celts of north western Europe did not come into contact with Germanic people until about 250 BC.  The Celtic world at that time was Europe.  The modern country of Germany was at one time part of the Celtic world.  I have read that there is a connection between the ancient Romans and the ancient Celts.

English is a Germanic language.  English is one of the newest languages on the planet.  Just 500 years ago the English spoken then is barely distinguishable from modern English.  Germanic people were still saying bar bar bar centuries and possibly a millennium or two after the Gaelic language was well established.  History has been rewritten for centuries.  These days history seems to be rewritten on a daily basis.  It's not too hard to understand why I got bounced from the Skadi Germanic online community forum when I posted in the thread that asked the question "Is Scotland Germanic?"  :)

These days with DNA studies we can still see the distribution of Celtic people throughout Europe.  Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup is past from father to son down through the centuries.  The Celtic Y haplogroup is R1b.  This R1b (Y-DNA) national distribution map in percentage of population shows the distribution of Celtic DNA throughout Europe today.  Note up to 40% in Nordic countries, 40% in Iceland, up to 50% in Germany and 80% in western France and northern Spain and Portugal.  Obviously 80% in the middle and western British Isles with still 70% in the eastern part of the British Isles.  By the way, British is a Celtic name, not an English name.  Millions of people on this planet have Celtic Gaelic speaking origins and don't even realize it.  Their ancestors would had to have been able to understand the Latin language.  Note that even though the DNA studies are scientific this map seems to show the R1b Y haplogroup spreading westward into Europe from the middle east around where Mount Ararat is. 

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Again note from the map above that the R1b Celtic Y haplogroup for Iceland is 40%.  The Nordic Y haplogroup is I, commonly referred to as the Viking DNA.  But yet the I Y haplogroup for Iceland is just 30% seen from the link below.  This brings to mind the myth, story or whatever you want to call it of the legend of the earliest travel from Europe to North America by Brendan and a number of monks from Ireland.  I have recently read that this story of Brendan and the monks is in the Icelandic sagas.  Hmmm, I wonder why we hear so much about Lief but not much about the earlier Brendan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Distri..._Y-DNA.svg

Like I say history has been rewritten for centuries.  I won't link to the source of these quotes below because it says "the Indo-European, or as it is now called, the Aryan class."  As far as I'm concerned that is laughable but the page does have some good quotes.  Ironically it is on a Scottish web site.  If you want to find it do a search for "similarities between Latin and Gaelic".  The page is titled "The Gaelic language".

Quote:That it has relations to the Semitic languages cannot be denied, but these are no closer than those of many others of the same class. Its relation to both the Greek and the Latin, especially the latter, is very close, many of the radical words in both languages being almost identical. Natural objects, for instance, and objects immediately under observation, have terms wonderfully similar to represent them. Mons, a mountain, appears in the Gaelic Monadh; Amnis, a river, appears in Amhainn; Oceanus, the ocean, in Cuan; Muir, the sea, in Mare; Caballus, a horse, in Capull; Equus, a horse, in Each; Canis, a dog, in Cu; Sol, the sun, in Solus, light; Salus, safety, in Slainte; Rex, a king, in Righ; Vir, a man, in Fear; Tectum, a roof, in Tigh; Monile, a necklace, in Muineal. This list might be largely extended, and serves to bring out to what an extent original terms in Gaelic and Latin correspond. The same is true of the Greek, but not to the same extent.

At the same time there is a class of words in Gaelic which are derived directly from the Latin. These are such words as have been introduced into the srvice of the church. Christianity having come into Scotland from the European Continent, it was natural to suppose that with it terms familiar to ecclesiastics should find thier way along with the religion. This would have occurred to a larger extent after the Roamn hierarchy and worship had been received among the Scots. Such words as Peacadh,sin; Sgriobtuir, the scriptures; Faosaid, confession; aoibhrinn, mass or offering; Caisg, Easter; Inid, initium or shrove-tide; Calainn, new year’s day; Nollaig, Christmas; Domhnach, God or Dominus; Diseart, a hermitage; Eaglais, a church; Sagart, a priest; Pearsa or Pearsoin, a parson; Reilig, a burying place, from reliquiœ; Ifrionn, hell; are all manifestly from the Latin, and a little care might add to this list. It is manifest that words which did not exist in the language must be borrowed from some source, and whence so naturally as from the language which was, in fact, the sacred tongue in the early church.

But besides being a borrower, the Gaelic has been largely a contributor to other languages.

Just in like manner, but arising from a much closer relation, do relics of the Celtic language appear in the Greek and Latin. The fact seems to be that a Celtic race and tongue did at one time occupy the whole of Southern Europe, spreading themselves from the Hellespont along the shores of the Adriatic, and the western curves of the Mediterranean, bounded on the north by the Danube and the Rhine, and extending to the western shores of Ireland.

I would like to add to this last paragraph in the above quote.  The ancient Celtic world was not "bounded on the north by the Danube and the Rhine" because at the time there was nobody there to bind them.  At that time the Celtic world extended north of the Danube and the Rhine.  An ancient Celtic tribes map will verify this.  Danube is a Gaelic name.  The Hellespont is the passage of water between Asia Minor and Europe around where Constantinople use to be, now Istanbul.  I have already shown that the Celtic world extended and originated east of the Hellespont.

I think this clearly shows that the Gaelic speaking Celts of Europe would had to have understood the Latin language.
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Why the Mass in Latin? - by Petertherock - 06-12-2011, 08:45 PM
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