Augustine, Galileo and natural science
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(06-19-2011, 11:36 PM)Alabama Trad Wrote: An important topic.

The Galileo affair is probably the biggest black eye that the Church has suffered over the centuries, not because she was proven to be fallible, but because the incident has served to discredit the Catholic Church in the eyes of many moderns.

What's the lesson of the Galileo affair?

Our attitude towards science should not be one of hostility. It should be one of dialogue between the "book of nature" and the "book of faith".

Galileo was not perfect and he even had shoddy reasons for positing what he did. He backed into a correct position, so to speak. However, he did brilliantly reference the ever-more-brilliant Augustine in his private letters explaining his position.

When the literalistic (i.e. most simplistic) reading of a Scriptural text SEEMS to contradict widely held scientific or natural knowledge in any field of study, our duty is not to superimpose the literalistic text on the widely held belief in an attempt to stifle debate. This necessarily does two things,
a. It closes our minds to possible natural truths, of which God is the author, just as he's the author of supernatural truths,
b. It scandalizes nonbelievers, who have good reasons for certain natural beliefs, and throw the baby out with the bathwater, refusing to accept anything Christians say, even on faith.

Rather, we ought to accept the most likely natural theory and seek ways of understanding the Scriptural text in light of it. Augustine was wonderful here. He notes that ten people can have ten different insights into a Scriptural text (say, the formlessness of matter in the beginning) and all ten people may have something valuable to offer.

Like Oldavid above, I too have just seen this thread. As some of you know, Oldavid has been Catholic Forums' chief defender of heliocentrism for years now.  In other words he sides with the above anti-Catholic diatribe used to begin this post back in 2011.

Before I asddress the above insult to the popes and theologians of the Catholic Church, I must ask how many reading this thread know of the Mitchelson & Morley experiment of 1887 and the emergence of a man called Albert Einstein? How many know the position science HAD TO TAKE after this test? Well in 1905 the whole scientific world had to admit that NO HUMAN SCIENCE WAS ABLE TO PROVE WHETHER THE UNIVERSE IS HELIOCENTRIS OR GEOCENTRIC. In other words, science admitted it/they were not able to falsify the 1616 decree of Pope Paul V defining that the Scriptures DO REVEAL A GEOCENTRIC COSMOS.

For 300 years then, 400 if you include the century since, the insults written above have ABSOLUTELY NO CREDIBILITY AT ALL. Let us remind ourselves what was said:

'The Galileo affair is probably the biggest black eye that the Church has suffered over the centuries, not because she was proven to be fallible, but because the incident has served to discredit the Catholic Church in the eyes of many moderns.'

Now anybody who professes to be a Catholic should know that the Triune God promised His Church would never 'get a black eye' when its teaching is defined by a pope as irreversible. As it turned out, their LIE that the Church's definition was  proven wrong was itself proven false. So all who professed and supported the lie, are the real enemies of the Catholic Church.

'Our attitude towards science should not be one of hostility. It should be one of dialogue between the "book of nature" and the "book of faith".'

Today's cosmology is all based on heliocentrism as a proven fact. It is no such thing and to say so and base all theories on it is PSEUDO_SCIENCE. These lies have totally undermined Genesis as true history, destroyed the faith of millions, and our attitude to their lies should be total rejection.

Galileo was not perfect and he even had shoddy reasons for positing what he did. He backed into a correct position, so to speak. However, he did brilliantly reference the ever-more-brilliant Augustine in his private letters explaining his position.

Wasn't it St Augustine, the biblical Geocentrist, who said ‘If there were no pride, there would be no heresy.’
Ever read the writings of Galileo? He said God granted to HIM ALONE knowledge of the movements of the universe. He said the LAST PLACE one finds physical truth is in the Scriptures.Galileo quoted Augustine who said if 'CERTAIN PROOFS' contradicted an interpretation of Scripture then that interpretation was wrong.  Of course it would, and onev didn't have to quote Augustine to know that. Galileo put his one tide a day theory as one of those 'certain proofs.'

To say Galileo backed the 'correct position' is to promote a lie that accuses the Church of being 'incorrect.' Science has long admitted the TRUTH is a METAPHYSICAL CHOICE, and as Catholics  the Bible cannot be wrong in any way. Given the 1616 decree has never been abrogated it still stands in HEAVEN.

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