Earth IS Center of Universe?
(08-08-2011, 05:51 PM)voxpopulisuxx Wrote: Slightly confusing cassini
The pope may engender and promulgate errors but not formally or dogmatically. Not and still retain his title that is

Just to clarify Vox. For any Catholic today who believes the findings of the Papal Commission on Galileo (1981-1992) and Pope John Paul II's speech given at the time - that the earth moves and the sun is fixed relative to it - the above quote is what in effect it means for Catholicism.

The only way for a Catholic to reject Fr Roberts's conclusions above is to acept that the Church of 1616 was never wrong and that the Church holds to a geocentric interpretation of Scripture and reality.

Rest assures the only formal act of a pope in the whole Galileo affair was the 1616 decree. It has never been abrogated.
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So if a catholic holds to heliocentrism are they holding a heretical view or simply a heterodox view.
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(08-09-2011, 06:54 AM)voxpopulisuxx Wrote: So if a catholic holds to heliocentrism are they holding a heretical view or simply a heterodox view.

In my opinion, it is still heresy, there having been no official abrogation. Formal if in full knowledge of the definition and condemnation one intends to defy the Church's condemnation. Material heresy if based of conviction that science has established proof for a fixed sun and moving earth, or simply hold heliocentrism totally unaware of the 1616 decree as most have done for many years. Material heresy has no blame or punishment because it is not intended to defy the Church's teaching per se but is based on inculpable ignorance. However, once told that the 1616 decree has never been proven wrong, can you plead inculpable ignorance? I think you could start a new thread on this last question.
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Here you go, Cato76.

Read away!
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Thanks.

(05-31-2012, 09:45 AM)Adam Wayne Wrote: Here you go, Cato76.

Read away!
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