Can we extricate ourselves from Molinism?
(07-20-2011, 10:51 AM)Melkite Wrote:
(07-20-2011, 08:39 AM)Christus Imperat Wrote: Not only is it not necessarily Thomist/Augustinian, but I would say it is flatly erroneous.  In what sense would they "never turn to Him."  We hold that God may efficaciously will the salvation of anyone: St. Paul, St. Ignatius, St. Augustine himself.  The first quote makes it sounds as though God's choice is determined by the creature, which is exactly what Augustinianism/Thomism seeks to avoid. 

Fr. Lagrange summarizes the A-T doctrine as God who determines and is not determined.

What if God determines by not determining?  Could Almighty God possibly be secure enough in himself that he doesn't need to elect us to either damnation or salvation to prevent offending his sovereignty?  Could he not have decided, "hey, I'm going to create these people, and I want them to freely choose me, so I'm going to let them choose, even if ultimately I know they won't choose me"?  I don't see how that confounds God's will, if it is his will for us to choose him freely.  After all, we can't really confound God's will by rejecting him.  Did we have any power to raise ourselves from the dust?  St. Augustine took it in the wrong direction, seeing God's will can't be confounded therefore he must predestine to heaven and hell.  He should have gone in the other direction, saying God's will can't be confounded, yet people choose to reject him, therefore his passive will must be that all mankind would be saved, but his active will is to let it be each person's choice so that the love is true.  That's Molinism, from what I understand of it.  That's orthodox Christianity.  The end :)

1. God isn't the God of the deists, in the sense that He doesn't just sit back and do nothing and let us figure it out.  That isn't theism.

2. The efficient cause of salvation is God's grace.  The will of God is involved in giving anyone grace, which raises the obvious question as to how He chooses to give grace, e.g. why some receive more than others.

3.  The position you are taking seems to make grace a reward for a good will.  In other words, we have a good will and good intentions, thus we earn grace.  But then grace is no more grace.  What happens to St. Paul's teachings in this scheme? 

It also seems to me that such doctrines are problematic in the spiritual life.  Instead of standing in awe before God's free choice, humbly receiving the free gift of God, one would think that the logical conclusion of the doctrine that you are espousing is to think, "I have received grace and the gift of faith because I am better than my unbelieving neighbor."  In other words, one merits salvation by having a better will than your neighbor who doesn't merit salvation.

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