Can we extricate ourselves from Molinism?
(07-20-2011, 02:35 PM)Melkite Wrote:
(07-20-2011, 01:12 PM)Christus Imperat Wrote:
(07-20-2011, 12:26 PM)Melkite Wrote:
(07-20-2011, 11:37 AM)Christus Imperat Wrote: By the way, I think the A/T doctrine of salvation is well summarized by Our Lord as follows:

"You have not chosen me: but I have chosen you; and have appointed you, that you should go, and should bring forth fruit; and your fruit should remain: that whatsoever you shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you."  --St. John 15:16

In context, isn't this about Jesus electing them to the office of apostle, and not a genreal teaching on election to salvation?

Yes it is.  But I would broaden the scope in a metaphorical sense. 

Isn't that one of the ways heresies get started?  Broadening the scope of a passage to use it as a way to explain a theolegoumena the passage was never intended to mean in the first place?  So, to use St. Augustine's (I believe) principle for scriptural interpretation, wouldn't it be unwise to interpret this as anything other than election to the apostolic office?

The point is that Our Lord was walking along the seashore and said, "Come, follow me."  He saw Nathanael under the fig tree.  He gathered together the twelve, a motley crew of sorts, and made them what they were.  Of course, Our Lord knew these men from all eternity, but they were not the twelve most worthy or holy or intelligent or steady or wise men in the world, apart from what God Himself made them later through the descent of the Holy Ghost at Pentecost. 

Consider this passage from 1 Corinthians 1:
[26] For see your vocation, brethren, that there are not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble:  [27] But the foolish things of the world hath God chosen, that he may confound the wise; and the weak things of the world hath God chosen, that he may confound the strong. [28] And the base things of the world, and the things that are contemptible, hath God chosen, and things that are not, that he might bring to nought things that are: [29] That no flesh should glory in his sight. [30] But of him are you in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and justice, and sanctification, and redemption:

[31] That, as it is written: He that glorieth, may glory in the Lord.

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